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 | | From:  IRDOZ (Original Message) | Sent: 12/16/2002 3:54 AM |
This is a thread on counting winners and losers and hcps and distribution and.. in declarer play. It is based on a thread on the main board involving me and destiny. These hands were sent to me by my mentor - and the task for each hand is to: 1. Write down the number of immediate losers in the hand and specify them 2. Write down the number of winners in the hand and specify them 3. Summarise the key decalarer play problem(s) in the hand After this is done then I will give you the first part of the play and see if you can solve the problem. I don't know where all of these hands come from... HAND 1 West North East South 1 PASS 4 ALL PASS
Dealer North, both vul. Lead K NORTH | A Q J 8 7
J 2
A 5
K 5 4 3 | SOUTH | K 10 9 3 2
Q 10 2
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Q 8 7 2 |
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West should have CA since most East hands with a stiff spade and HA, DQ, CA would take some action over 1S. |
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 | | From:  GIPPO99 | Sent: 12/18/2002 2:09 AM |
1. losers = 3 1S, 1H, 1 C 2. 10 winners 3S, 3 H, 2 D, 2C Key problem is if Heart and spade split 4-2 and this is where I need help so glad you posted as I want to see how to think out answer |
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And here's no 3 for later (this is from tournament currently being played which is why I put it up now - a number went off because they didnt count where their 10 tricks were coming from) - same questions i) # losers ii) # winners iii) key problem(s) in hand HAND 3 West North East South pass 1d 1s pass 2s Pass 3h pass 4s
Dealer North, MPs, NS vul. Lead 4 NORTH | Q 10 9 6
A 6
4 2
Q J 10 9 3 | SOUTH | A K J 3 2
K 10 7 2
Q 10 3
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 | | From:  GIPPO99 | Sent: 12/18/2002 12:04 PM |
Losers = 3 winners =7 Opps made a great lead and if they continue leading trump this looks impossible key problem is being able to trump 2 heart and 1 d in dummy or getting the ace k of cl out before they take the 2 D tricks This one needs help! |
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Hand 2 1) Losers: 1 spade, 1 diamond and 2 clubs = 4 2) Winners: 3 spades, 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and 2 clubs = 10 3) Problem: We must develop 2 more tricks. The only way to do this is through length tricks (if there is a squeeze, I don't see it). In what order to test the suits? |
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Hand 3 Losers: 2H, 3D, 1C = 6 Winners: 5S, 2H = 7 plus two heart ruffs = 9 Problem: How to set up clubs for diamond pitches and be sure we get as many ruffs and pitches as possible, assuming trump is returned when we give up the lead.. |
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 | | From:  IRDOZ | Sent: 12/18/2002 6:48 PM |
Hi des and gipp Think I should change whats required to losers, winners,. source of extra tricks and problem in hand. In hand 2 you need 2 extra tricks. You will always make if hearts and spades are 3-3. But you can also score an extra club trick. So you have 10 tricks and a possible extra spade, heart or club - you need 2 of the 3. The key to the hand is to lose a club trick immediately by playing low from both hands (if you play A then K if clubs are 4-2 you seet yrself up to lose 2 club tricks). In hand 3 there are 3 losers - and 7 winners the key to the hand is to work out how to get 3 extra tricks. You must ruff 2 hearts (trumps were 3-1 and a few pulled trumps losing the ability to ruff 2 hearts). That gets you 9 tricks. The opening bid by east locates a lot of the missing hcps...and east probably has AK of diamonds so I'd lead diamonds low from dummy after 2nd heart ruff |
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Which losers did I count that you don't think are losers Ross? |
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OK but in this case we don't know right away whether we are going to ruff both hearts, or pitch one or two of them on the clubs, or if there is a way to "exchange" a diamond loser for a heart ruff so that we lose 1 club, 1 diamond and 1 heart, or if maybe we could even set up the heart 10 -- it seems to me clearer to count all the losing tricks in the hand with the long trumps, and only after that start in with how to eliminate them "if I ruff both the hearts that's 4 losers, if the DQ can be set up then there are only 3 losers" etc. |
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 | | From:  IRDOZ | Sent: 12/18/2002 8:56 PM |
You generally write it this way.. 3 Quick losers ; ? potential losers and Winners; ? source of extra tricks |
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 | | From:  IRDOZ | Sent: 12/18/2002 9:12 PM |
that post 19 is an example of overcomplicating your thinking. What Im trying to do is get you to write down 1. Quick losers 2. Potential losers 3. Quck winners 4. Potential extra tricks*** The most important thing is to specify how 3 and 4 add up to the number of tricks you need...(thats what I originally called counting winners) |
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