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Bridge Basics : 3rd,5th Opening Leads
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From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGE  (Original Message)Sent: 6/10/2003 2:44 PM
I need a reference...   ( unless they can be simply summarized).


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From: MSN NicknameGIPPO99Sent: 6/10/2003 3:23 PM
 
Opening leads are so important to the defense  and 
I would like to  see   a  good  reference here  on opening leads too
I have always led 4th best and seems I get   several  different leads from   partners  3rd , 5th ,    10 means,  1 higher etc  etc     I have searched the  bridge pages for opening lead tables  and leads  from  certain holdings   but  do not find much.
I recall   somewhere  a  table that listed the best to the worst (dblton) but  I dont find it on the net ..... help!!!!
 

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From: cadetSent: 6/10/2003 3:59 PM
excellent resources for opening leads/defense:
1.louis watson-play of the hand
2.easley blackwood-the complete book of opening leads at bridge
3.easley blackwood-play of the hand with blackwood[1st chap deals with opening leads]
4.john mallon-opening leads and signals

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From: MSN Nickname_destiny_6Sent: 6/10/2003 4:42 PM
I would like to know what the advantage of 3rd and 5th best leads over 4th best leads is supposed to be. 

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From: MSN NicknamePriorKnowledgeSent: 6/10/2003 5:43 PM
I play 3rd and 5th against suits and 4th best against NT.
 
Playing 3rd and 5th does not affect when or if to lead an honor, what honor to lead, what to return, how to signal, or any other carding you may have. It only affects when you are on opening lead and have decided to lead a small card
 
So how do you lead 3rd and 5th? Very easy. When you are leading a small card in a suit of odd length, lead the smallest, otherwise lead 3rd best.
 
I stay with 4th best against NT, because you usually don't lead from 3 against NT. If partner gains the lead, partner must determine whether the suit has enough meat. Knowing that you have exactly 3 cards higher makes that decision easier. Whether you have 4 or 5 is usually not as important.
 
But against a suit contract, your length in the suit that you lead is more critical.
 
3rd and 5th solves several problems.
1. Partner is usually given an immediate count of opening leader's suit length. If the card is the smallest, then opening leader has an odd number. Otherwise an even number.
2. When playing 4th best, leading from 3 was a problem. So playing 4th best usually turned into 3rd or 4th best, which is hard to decipher from only one card. Might as well play 3/5 always and solve the problem. (MUD is ridiculous, so I don't want to talk about it)

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From: MSN NicknameIRDOZSent: 6/11/2003 12:21 AM
Gipp
 
I put up a table of worst leads on here - it was taken from Blackwood - The complete book of opening leads. I  don't have the book anymore so can't reproduce it.
 
2fer
 
The original methods which many American experts use is called Journalist leads - this includes 3/5 and Rusinow. The book most Americans refer to is Journalist Leads by Lawrence Rosler and Jeff Rubens which outlines the whole method with zillions of examples (but you'll have to get it second hand). There were earlier books recommending the same methods in Europe. A very brief summary of journalist leads can be found at http://www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/journlst.htm .
 
If you want an exploration of 3/5 leads I can write a few thoughts...I used to play them all the time and they are great for people who count everything on defense...(Im too lazy/incompetent most of the time)...but I gave them up for different methods.
 

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From: GordSent: 6/11/2003 2:49 PM
I once asked one of our top Canadian players the merit of playing 4th best, rule of eleven (subtracting from 11 to find the amount of cards that will be higher than the card lead) rule of , 3rd best, rule of twelve, 5th best, rule of 10.
However the most interesting comment made by this person was that one of the main reason he used 3rd or 5th was  that many opponents are reluctant to learn the difference.
The moral is "do not be reluctant to ask for explanation". Most bridge players take pride in giving a full explanation. I use 4th best but when checking ops cc and I  see different leads I will often check my bible to see which rule applies. Can't remember everything you know. Hope I didn't post this message already.

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From: POTTED_PLANT1Sent: 2/13/2004 9:27 PM
I play 4th best vs. suits because I know immediately a little more about length in suit led. I prefer 3rd best in partners bid suit (or implied suit) as pd more often has 3 than 4. Also, I prefer 3rd best when leading your unbid or 2nd suit after having bid a suit. Rusinow vs. suits rather than ace from ace king or standard has been deemed theoretically superior in BRIDGE WORLD article "3 coins in a fountain".
 

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From: MSN NicknameTerrenceReeseSent: 4/20/2004 2:44 AM
Mike Lawrence has a very well written and informative book called OPENING LEADS which I heartily recommend.

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From: MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precisionSent: 2/26/2005 8:57 AM
I use 3rd/5th leads at suits, but ATTITUDE based leads versus NT (i.e. NON length oriented).

Gotta keep in mind that I use suit preference a lot more than more.

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