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General : Deep Finesse
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From: JoAnneM  (Original Message)Sent: 12/28/2008 5:24 PM
I am disappointed in Deep Finesse.  I have now played two sessions at the Regional I am attending.  In both of them on the boards where I have achieved the max tricks I almost always get either average or below average.   Last night my partner estimated a 58% game and we ended up with 49.6%.  He is never that far off.
 
Oh well, there is always today. 


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From: MSN NicknameWildflower174Sent: 12/28/2008 6:12 PM
I think Deep Finesse only tells you what is possible if noone gives gifts.  Clearly you did your part, but the other tables were giving gifts. 

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From: MSN Nicknametestiestcat1Sent: 12/29/2008 1:03 PM
JoAnne, Sharon is correct. You were not getting field protection. But just keep plugging away. Eventually your achieving the minimax on a board will get you good results instead of the deep s--- that you are now experiencing.

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From: MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precisionSent: 12/29/2008 1:26 PM
I played a session about 18 months ago, where every board but one we achieved the par score of the board. Our percentage - yep, 50.04%. I agree with the consensus; field isn't helping you.

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From: MSN NicknamePriorKnowledgeSent: 12/30/2008 10:00 PM
deep finesse does "double dummy" declarer and defense. Which means looking at all 4 hands. You would think that knowing which way to finesse would result in more tricks for the offense than in real play. But my limited analysis shows that the average tricks on real contracts is more than the tricks shown by deep finesse. That is - that poor defense gives away more tricks than poor declarer play.

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From: JoAnneMSent: 12/30/2008 11:50 PM
Is that the same as saying bridge is 50 (defense), 30 (declarer play),  20 (bidding)?  My numbers may be a little off but that is close to what I have read from several experts.

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From: MSN NicknameBartonFinchleySent: 12/31/2008 12:54 AM
No I think it says a declarer sees both his hand and dummy so is less likely to blunder than a defender who sees only his own hand

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From: MSN NicknamePriorKnowledgeSent: 12/31/2008 1:40 AM
in matchpoint play, bidding is 80% of the game. If you are in the wrong contract, it does not matter that you get an extra trick, u willl stilll get a poor result.
 
At IMPS, bidding vs play is 50/50.
 
In both, defense is twice more important than declarer play

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