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From: MSN NicknameGrace·  (Original Message)Sent: 8/18/2005 4:46 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameGrace·</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 8/17/2005 10:16 AM
Hello... I have some thoughts to share about group activity.  
 
(Yes another long post that some will not want to read...lol.  So for you... you're welcome to go ahead and move on, it's ok.  )
 
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In a variety of groups I've read several threads over the months on the topic of  "I've tried to get people to post more"...  asking for ways to do it,  asking what's wrong, why isn't anyone posting etc etc etc...
 
There are different kinds of groups/group managers....
 
There are those who have the goal of being a top-rated group activity wise, or who have the goal of being #1....    and so for those kind of groups, I can understand the hunger and need to find ways to keep those members hopping on their keyboards.. post, post, post... talk, talk, talk...anything they can think of to keep the members hungry to get to the group and read, post, reply.. to anything and everything.  And for those who like that.. you are ok to like and want that.   All things are a choice, and all  people are free to choose their own path.  
 
There are also other groups... which are people focused... relationship focused....friendship focused....etc.. and they are just as interested in interaction between members as the type of groups mentioned above, just for different reasons.
 
Through it all....  I have to wonder about the feeling of desperation that is sometimes expressed about people not being 'active' in a group.   I say that only because with that cry for  ways to get members to post more... is what I see as a possible underlying message that it is not ok not to post.   And my personal take on it is... that it is.   
  
In reality ....people come in many varieties of personality types.. even in group boards.  
 
And sometimes there are going to be members that just are not real interested in being real involved and chatty.. on a consistent and daily basis.
 
Sometimes there are some people that are not real 'social'.... do not relate easily to other people... do not find it easy to open up and write a book about themselves or their lives.   Others... can write on here for ever and ever.... like me...lol.   (If I was with you in person I'd be quiet as a mouse!... but here on the computer it's totally different and I write like crazy... which is not pleasing to people who don't have time or interest in reading long messages...)
 
Some people have a wall up... only allow themselves to put so much of themselves on a group board... nice, short, to the point, and non-personal type info and replies.   Others... want to be best friends, and as close as family with everyone and learn everything about you as they share everything about themselves.
 
Some people like to read and learn and absorb... without doing much interaction of their own.
 
Some people... don't have a life at home, for a variety of reasons.   Sadly... some people are ill, bed or home bound... and the computer allows them to get back out into the world.   The computer and especially groups can become the world for some people, sometimes 24/7.   And when others slip out of that world... I'd imagine it makes them kind of lonesome and sad. 
 
Some people... have very busy, active home lives, family circumstances, careers, jobs, school/college....  and the computer is only a place to go chill, to relax, get away from the stresses of day to day responsibilities.. have some fun.  For them... it is a place to visit.. not to live.
 
There are very high-energy... go,go,go types of people... out there in the thick of things...loving the action, the speed, the fast pace of life.  Others...get overwhelmed if things get too fast... they need a slower pace.. a calmer rate of travel and interraction with other people... and freedom to 'not' be involved... to just be quiet and by themselves for a while when needed.... to rest... to ponder.
 
The list could go on and on... maybe some of you have some types to add.
 
One of the things all new managers go through in the learning process of managing a group is the realisation that slow or no activity does not mean that you do not have a good group, and it does not mean you are not a good manager of your group.   It just means, that for whatever the reason....  you are going through a quiet phase.   And that is ok.   
 
People change.   Their home lives change.   The weather/season's change.   And the group itself goes through changes.   
 
If the manager hangs in there... and goes through the cycle of the changing seasons, both on and off the computer.... you will get comfortable in time with the slow times and will be able to patiently wait for the season of increased activity that will come again, as surely as the sun rises every morning... (wether we can see it or not).    
 
Groups have various rhythms... and so do the members in those groups.   Some times those thing clash and colide.. and sometimes everyone is going the same direction at the same time and at the same speed.  
 
Fluctuation, balance, change comes with groups ....  and patience sees one through it all. 
 
I'm of the personality type... if I feel forced to post on a group... I can't stay a member there.  High speed and pressure gets me confuddled...lol.   I'm the type... I need to lay down and rest after a fast paced day at a big mall.  I do like to talk with these keys ... but I have to be free to do it at my own pace, and in my own way, and at the time that's convenient for me.  
 
It very well could be that for some managers looking for more activity .... if they have people like me in their group, those members are being driven off their board with constant "ways" put on there to get them to talk and post.  And it's not a personal thing/reaction ... it's just a physical reaction to too much mental stress.. or confusion. 
 
Sometimes the very thing you want... is costing you and keeping you from getting it... if it's being pursued in the wrong way.. or a way that is uncomfortable to some members.  
 
So to me, it means a manager needs to not only analyze what kind of group theme etc. is desired...but what kind of members does the manager need/want... for her/him to be able to be happy with the pace and style of that group.  
 
One last thought....
 
"Interest" and "coercion".... are two distinctly different things.. and members can tell the difference... and will react accordingly...in which ever way is comfortable to them.   Some will jump right in and go for anything and everything... others will feel overwhelmed and back off.  
 
Part of getting the desired increased activity is knowing clearly and honestly 'why' that increased activity is needed, wanted, or desired.   I believe that if you know that.... then the 'how' to get it will be more clear also.
 
Thanks for taking time to read this, if you did.   I hope it may have helped someone in some way.. to be more at peace about the activity level of the members of your group.   Hugs, Grace
 
 

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameReal_Wife</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 10:26 AM
great read thanks!!!

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_Kiminator_</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 10:43 AM
That was great!

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameQWendyC</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 11:08 AM

Very well written .... I agree!

One thing I would like to add is what is your groups main focus or subject theme? What makes you stand out and makes you different from the other groups in your category?
In another words, what benefits will I get from joining your group.

These are questions I ask when looking at new groups. We all have X amount of cyber time and we want to make the most of it.

I'm also the type that generally hangs out in the background, trying to get the feel for a group, before I put myself out there and become active.

For those of you struggling... hang in there! You just have to find your 'niche'.



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From: MSN NicknameGrace·Sent: 8/18/2005 4:47 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSusanMgrPOTAT</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 11:30 AM
I liked this.  Thank you.
Susan

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameCrazy_Old_Maid</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 11:47 AM
VERY good post.  I believe you covered every point quite well.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSarges_Mom</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 12:07 PM
I agree this was great!!   But you didnt mention the group that cant get members at all mine is 2 yrs old and has 36 members 7 are mgr.s dont know why ! We promote at alot of places too.  Any ideas on this? not complaining just wondering where I went wrong. ?
Karen

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamegunnershej</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 12:10 PM
Good post!

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From: © Leanna Sent: 8/17/2005 12:22 PM
Very well written. 

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname»-----Honnybeehive---»1</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 12:26 PM
i agree

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameGrace·</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 1:15 PM
Hello again.... thank you each for taking time to read, and I'm glad it was a 'good thing' for you.     I appreciate the kind replies.
 
Hi Karen....   On Sep.2, my group will be 3 years old.  It origionally started as just a small private group for a few of us who had been friends on another board... I messed things up and lost all but one person.... and through a whole lot of back and forth indecision on my part about what to do with the board over the last couple of years,..when I did not even try to get anyone else to join...  I now have 4 other members besides myself... and 2 of those, friends from elsewhere,  joined just this past week.   One other lady had joined a few months ago also, but had to leave due to family members health issues she needed to help take of.   I'm happy with what I have, and who I've got.   If it grows... ok, and if not... me and the girls will just have a good time by ourselves.. posting to each other when we each have time or interest to do so.   For you to have over 20 members outside of the managers in just two years doesn't really sound so bad to someone with a group my size...lol.  It sounds huge in fact.   On the other hand, to someone that has hundreds or thousands of members it would sound very small.   I'd have to ask... are you happy with the members you do have?  Do you relate to them, are they your friends... are they 'enough' for you?   Sometimes it's good just to stop and focus on what you have... and enjoy it... and let the growth happen on it's own, if and when it's supposed to.  
 
Maybe someone else will have some suggestions to help ... but for me... that size of group would be more than plenty. .. and I'd be happy.     
 
It's kind of like in our high school days... not everyone is friends with everyone....  and some people had a lot of friends and some wall flowers couldn't name 20 people in the whole grade they were in.   Some groups are gonna grow larger, and faster than others.   That's just life I think.   As I said earlier.... a small group is in no way a failure in my eyes... and there is not anything 'wrong' on anyones part because it is small.  Sometimes... 'it just is'.    
 
(I'm reminded of something I caught myself doing while rummaging through the kitchen cabinets one day a few years ago.   I heard my thoughts and realised I was looking for what was not there to eat... wishing for what wasn't there, instead of focusing on what I did have available to me to choose from.   Maybe we do that in groups sometimes... keep looking for the members that are not there.. instead of focusing on and enjoying who we do have.  Just a thought. )
 
Good luck to you!   I'm sure more members will come.   Hang in there.   Hugs, Grace

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSpaceyTracy420</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 1:21 PM
Excellent!!!
I agree totally!
Well said!
Thankyou!
 
Tracy

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname°moe°1</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 1:34 PM
Good thread..........thank you!  Not an ounze of drama in it!
 
theothermoe

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamebluenotes�?/FONT></NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 2:03 PM
Yes! Very well said, Grace. I agree that personality types play an important part in group message boards, both in frequency and thoughtfulness of postings. I think groups benefit immensely from having various types of personalities in their midst: long posts, short posts, thought-provoking posts, not so thoughful or profound posts, etc. As I've often heard: "variety is the spice of life".
 
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameCharlie_639</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 2:19 PM
Grace....excellent post....Are you a psychologist? You arrear to have a good handle on people and how they act....I had thought about several of the ideas you wrote about but could never get them in such a logical manner....Thanks again for your excellent post....

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameslavetomycats</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 2:32 PM
you sure do excel at getting to the heart of things...thank-you for posting this...it's a reflection of my personal feelings...i just don't have the flair for putting it in words like you do...from the bottom of my heart...thank you hon

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLAZY_TURD�?/FONT></NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 2:36 PM
 
I think this is a FANTASTIC message! 
 
In fact, pressure and coercion were the reasons I HAD to end my friendship with my girlfriend Yvonne.  She wouldn't understand that I just didn't have time for her emotional emergencies at her beck and call and at all hours of the night.  In her mind, I guess, the only way she'd understand my best friendship to her was if I answered her every beck and call and she never took into consideration of my own 'stuff', my own family, my business life or my simply needing to BREATHE WITHOUT her up my rear all the time.   Whatever I had to offer her, simply wasn't enough.  I tactfully tried to tell her things that would let her know that I loved and cared for her, but needed space, but she didn't get it. I actually had to tell her that she was suffocating me and it got to the point where it got ugly and I severed all ties with her, changing my business number, business cell and blocked all her numbers on my home number because despite my telling her to not contact me for a while, she ignored my wishes and left me back to back harassing messages.  She turned into the 'Single White Female' character with me.
 
She's always has been and apparently always will be an emotional leach in which I just can't and won't have in my life.   People like that just freak me out.  I can only give what I have to offer.  I can't give anymore than that.
 
Again, thanks for the great message, Grace!!  

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname♥GypsyButterfly�?/FONT></NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 3:20 PM
Hi, Grace. I couldn't have said it better myself. You really captured the essence of the dynamics of groups. Each one has a different ebb & flow. Each one has a different style & rhythm.
 
I agree with what you wrote. Which is why, I decided long ago, to not have a minimum posting requirement. We all have other responsibilities & activities, both on & offline. Plus, things can come up unexpectedly. I know this from experience. I figure, people will participate as often as their time & interests allow.
 
I've had one group for almost four years. Currently there's about 350 members, though, there are a few regulars who are the heart & soul of the group. It feels like a family of friends.
 
Recently, some have joined who seem to really enjoy interacting & getting involved. Suddenly, after all this time, the group has become more lively. They've added another layer which has given it some diversity, while maintaining the comfortable & homey atmosphere we've always tried to convey.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSpaceyTracy420</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 3:36 PM
Hi Tiff!!!

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From: maikki-s Sent: 8/17/2005 5:24 PM
Hey! That's a great script!
 
Maikki

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknamePossibleFoxy4u</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 5:55 PM
Fantastic post

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameVaBëachGirl</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 6:35 PM
Well written...Thats just how I started out and now I'm doing very well. Many have joined some have left.
I have some great members well really friends they are now.
VaBeachGirl

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameStormy__Ambi</NOBR> Sent: 8/17/2005 7:35 PM
Grace. . .
 
I have to agree with your post as well.  It is pretty much how I feel about
the whole 'net' experience.  Basically the net mimics 'real life' doesn't it ?
All kinds of people....good ,  bad,  nice and nasty.  We get all kinds here
and just as we must learn how to deal with people in real life, yes we
must also learn to deal with people and their own particular idiosyncracies
on our on-line experiences as well.  If we must deal with nasty people by
walking away or saying nothing..then so be it.   It is all about choices.
We choose who we want to have around us.. and we choose which groups
we wish to be a part of and sometimes we choose to leave groups.
 
Grace you and I are considered part of the 'older group'... eeeeeeeek
(even though I don't feel old) and I think that we have a bit of old age wisdom in that we have had many ups and downs in our own lives that have helped us to
realize all about the important issues of our lives.  * Don't sweat the small stuff *
Although the dramas seem super important at the time...in the great scheme of
things and this thing we call our 'life'... very little really is that important.
 
I am so laid back now....and I must say - it is a great way to go through life.
Far less headaches and stress.  I will continue living my life this way . . . unless I find anybody verbally bashing another person.... I will always defend the underdog.
 
In this regard... I basically think everyone has a right to run their groups and their lives as they want.   I have no right to question their choices.  I only have a right to decide for myself.
 
Best Wishes Everyone.
 
Grace - I hear ya
 
Stormy*