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General : Copyright and Theft issues in Groups
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 Message 1 of 2 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameGrace·  (Original Message)Sent: 9/20/2005 1:09 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameWildMysticGoddess</NOBR> Sent: 9/20/2005 2:34 AM
OK I WILL SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AND EITHER YOU CAN FORGIVE AND FORGET OR BAN ME... YES I TOOK THE BACKGROUNDS AND YES I REMOVED THE NAMES..BUT THE REASON I REMOVE THEM IS TO MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER... AND NO I DO NOT CLAIM THEM AS MINE. IF I DID I WOULD PUT MY NAME ON THEM.I HAVE REMOVED ALL BACKGROUND AND WEBSETS I HAVE COPIED FROM HERE.. ALL THE REMAINING ONES ARE FROM A GROUP IN WHICH THEY GIVE THEM AWAY FREE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE NAMES OR ANY TYPE OF COPY RIGHT ON THEM.AND I SNAG FROM OTHER GROUPS WHO SAY WE CAN TAKE THEM AND USE THEM. THOSE ALSO DONT HAVE COPY RIGHT OR NAMES ON THEM.. I ALSO REALLY DIDNT REALIZE IT WAS A NO NO DO REMOVE THE NAMES AND SUCH. I HAVENT BEEN A MANAGER LONG AND ALL THIS IS NEW TO ME. AND WHEN I SAW THIS GROUP I THOUGHT IT WAS SO NICE. BUT I MEANT TO HARM.I THINK ALL THE WORK IS GORGEOUS AND YOU ALL ARE VERY TALENTED AND I WISH I COULD MAKE THEM LIKE ALL OF YOU CAN.. I AM TRUELY SORRY. I KNOW I HURT MANY IN THIS GROUP. I DIDNT MEAN TO  I KNOW ITS LOOKS LIKE I DID BUT I CAN BE SO DUMB AT TIMES.. AND YES I AM A MEMBER OF AN ADULT GROUP AND AS FAR AS I KNOW WE DONT USE ANY COPY RIGHT STUFF OR EITHER WE HAVE PERMISSION TO USE THE STUFF.. MAYBE YOU LOOK DOWN ON PEOPLE WHO LIKE STUFF LIKE THIS.. WE DONT ALLOW ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IN THE GROUP. WE WATCH VERY CLOSE.. I AM SORRY IF THIS BOTHERS YOU.. BUT TO EACH HIS OWN THEY SAY.. WE DONT HURT ANYONE.. WE MAKE TAGS AND HAVE GAMES AND WE ARE NICE PEOPLE.AGAIN I AM TRUELY SORRY TO THOSE I HAVE HURT.. BUT I GUESS YOU WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT. EVEN THOUGH I WISH YOU WOULD GIVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE.I CANT STOP ANYONE FROM REPORTING ME.I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.. I FEEL SO STUPID... I JUST WANTED SOME PRETTY BACKGROUNDS FOR MY POSTS.. I HAVE NEVER TOOK CREDIT FOR ANY OF THEM. I DONT PLACE MY NAME ON ANYTHING... I WILL GO NOW.. BUT PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND.. I HOPE YOU ALL SEE THIS.. AND ITS NOT DELETED.. BYE

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Recommend  Message 69 of 70 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameDebMomX3</NOBR> Sent: 9/20/2005 6:47 AM
Message 46 only applies to the Templates located on the Templates pages here: Templates For You not the Copy & Paste pages here: Copy/Paste Pages  Some of those have specific terms of use also, which should be with those pages/templates. Its soooo rude to remove or alter a credit or copyright from anyone's work.  
 
and lol @ Vixen  HUGS~ Debbie

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Recommend  Message 70 of 70 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameDebMomX3</NOBR> Sent: 9/20/2005 6:53 AM
This is to WildMysticGoddess re Msg 68:   You removed the copyrights to "make them look better"? That makes no sense.  If I were you, I'd remove ALL pages/templates etc in your group that lack copyrights and credits.  You say you "snagged" them at other groups and they didn't have the copyrights in them. Well...  pardon me for saying this but DUH!! lol Why do you think those don't have them?...  the other person removed them and posted them like you did in your group.  It's not right to do that. As for adult content, if your group is public you shouldn't have anything above a G rating in your group. MSN will shutter your group if they see that.   I for one appreciate you trying to make this right though. Thank you.


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From: MSN NicknameGrace·Sent: 9/20/2005 2:26 PM
Hello....The following comments were in this thread, and I have some comments and questions please....
 
(1)  From Message #46:
 
Terms of use for all templates: .....
do not pass these on, offer as 'snaggable'
 
(2) From message 19 about another persons tag:
 
 she does not give permission to post her graphics for others to snag.
 
(3) From Message # 70:
 
You say you "snagged" them at other groups and they didn't have the copyrights in them. .....   the other person removed them and posted them like you did in your group. 
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Am I to understand that when I'm told I can use something... it means only I can use it and no one else can?   This confuses me.... and sadly, I confuse easily...lol
 
 
In reference to the first message up there... it sounds like as if that is exactly what is being said to the person using said tag .... "you" can post and use this yourself .... however you are then responsible for not letting anyone else save, copy/paste or use the gif etc you just posted".
 
It seems like a lot of bother to me to use something and to then have to remember who said what could and could not be used by someone else after I posted it.  
 
Is that indeed what is being asked in this kind of statement, or am I misunderstanding something....
 
Same with Messge #2.....  there are lots of graphics etc that have the copyright stuff included, yet they do not have anyones name on them making them a personal sig etc.  
 
I thought when a creator said in a group "you can use this"... that as long as copyright credit is given, and as long as it does not "belong" to someone personally (because a name is on it).. that most things were ok to use and to also let others use it...  
 
How do I tell when a gif or graphic I was given permission to use is not to be allowed to let someone on another group also use?   
 
I really prefer to use only free things that I can then freely say to others on any other group I post in... yes, you can use that too.   It's getting more and more difficult to be able to do that. 
 
 
And for Message #3.....   It gives the assumption that every single person out there is making only things with copyright info attached and that no one at all is making free stuff just for the fun of it for all to share.  Is that true?
 
That possibility makes me sad... and disappointed.   Are people getting that into their talent ...that no one at all is making things just for the fun of it and saying .... free to use?  
 
Is it totally 100% true that all those things without a copyright were stolen Debbie?   The idea of that possibly being true... that everything out there without a copyright was altered and stolen just kind of turns my stomach for some reason.