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Major ruling against D.C. handgun ban In 2-1 vote, appeals court says Second Amendment is not limited to ‘militia� NBC News and news services Updated: 7:32 p.m. ET March 9, 2007 language=javascript>
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UpdateTimeStamp('633090835369570000');</SCRIPT> WASHINGTON - In the most important ruling on gun control in 70 years, a federal appeals court Friday for the first time used the Second Amendment to strike down a gun law. In a 2-1 decision, the court overturned the District of Columbia’s long-standing handgun ban, rejecting the city’s argument that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applied only to militias. The majority held that the activities protected by the Second Amendment “are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual’s enjoyment of the right contingent�on enrollment in a militia. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17538139/ |
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I would like to see the supream court rule on this......It's such a waste of Money to revisit this question over and over again.... Personaly i don't even understan why there is even a question.... It's pretty clear to me... Easy to understand in plain english. Amendment II - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
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ok now giz, now you got me confused. lol H. Clinton is about as pro gun control as you can get.  but we do agree on the right to bare arms. even if they do get might cold in the winter time. now if we can just get congress to get off its ass and vote for the right to bear breasts. |
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i personally own a 1911 type .45 auto pistol....i have never fired this weapon. the super neat thing is, the weapon has never fired its self!!!!!!! i dont understand all the gun control debate. the gun was a tool, it didnt jump up and start shooting people by its self, some person had to physically pick it up and use it as a weapon against other people or animals or beer cans or whatever. if we do something about not selling them to people that shouldnt be buying them that would stop a very very small amount of the crimes we see with fire arms. most the the gun crimes are commited with stolen "black market" guns. so the real debate is...why dont we do something about bad guys and quit blaming inanimate objects for the evil of man? people throughout history have been murderous. stones, big sticks, the jawbone of an ass, broken bottles, knives, swords, spears, and even the human body all weapons if used that way. all these things can be as deadly as any other weapon. most of all the human mind, it takes an intention to do an act of violence. and whatever the motivation for that intention is really not important, the act is done and cannot be undone. thats just what i think.... |
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In this day and age we do need some kind of gun control. Or to at least plug the loopholes todays laws have. I have a handgun to protect my home. I used to hurt and see no problem at all with owning shotguns. But really, do we need a weapon that spits out 30 rounds at a time? Hard to brag about your kill if you can't tell what it used to be after you shoot it. This will find its way to the Supreme's in time. Let's just hope they have the guts to hear the case. |
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As for the statement that if someone wants to kill they are going to find a way. ( knife, rock, whatever) I agree with that 100 %. However if the VT shooter had used a knife or something we would never have lost 32 children. |
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very true about the VT shooter...however 1 thing comes to mind about that horrible event.. if the court system had done its job in the first place he (cho) would have been on the list of people that you cant sell to.. horrid as his acts were i kinda have to put the responsibility for that on the judge who failed us all by not making sure that the kid was placed on the mentally ill list. i wish more judges would be held accountable for thier lack of compitence and perhaps less things like this would happen. also we need to have people who can do something about situations like these on campus....if you have that many kids in one spot there shoud be police or at least armed trained gaurds on duty to foil the evil that some people choose to assault us with. |
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There was no reason for him to be on any list whats so ever. He spent two nights in a hospital because a doctor felt he might hurt himself. He was never decleared mentally ill or convicted of a crime. This is a very scarey road we are about to try and go down. Everyone should have the same rights in this country. Just because you have a bad time for a spell is no reason to lose even one right. Mental illness will affect at least one out of every four of us. Thats 25% of the people in this country that stand to lose the right to bear arms. Also most mentall illness is short term and why should someone have to give up anything for being brave enough to seek help? In most states there are laws that keep someone who has been decleared mentally ill from buying a gun, I agree with those laws. In this case no such thing was said and after a year it would have been taken off the books anyway. I know we all want to stop it from happening again. The school did have a police force and there was not one thing they could do. The very hard and sad facts are we can not defend against one crazy person. We can beat back armies but one person with a gun who is on a campus he belongs on? Not a chance. We just have to pray the damage done ends quickly. No one in this day and age needs a gun that can fire 30 rounds. If he had to reload more someone may have been able to stop him. Thats a cold hard fact. We limit the ammount of cold med's someone can buy over the counter and should be able to do the same with firearms. Everyone can still have a gun and we don't take away anyones rights. |
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the guy had 2 walthers...at best the 9mm had a 15 rd mag....and i dont think they should limit mag capacity. it hasnt done anything to change the way gun crimes are performed in california......all i know is this...whatever type of gun was used is irrelevant to the act done. it could have been a high power air rifle i dont care. it was the mad man not the gun that did the dammage...and i do think that he would have used a suicide style vest or whatever he could get to do the most dammage in the event he was unable to get a gun... anyway you slice the cake it is a subject that will entice heated debate for a long time to come and it was a horrific event that we all pro or anti gun hope and pray will not happen anytime again. |
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i agree with you that he would have killed anyway. i just think the numbers wouild have been far different. I think we have the right to have firearms but not any firearm. our laws need to have protections and common sence. jerald |
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I guess my biggest question is this. What does a college student NEED with a gun, anyway? If I had been the guy in the gun store selling the gun, all kinds of alarms would have gone off in my head, and I probably would not have sold him the gun. Seems it's all about the almighty dollar. People will sell and buy anything as long as there is supply and demand. It's no longer a matter of what your conscience tells you, but what your wallet does. I am not opposed to people owning guns. It's our constituional right to keep and bear them. I AM opposed to people who sell them without regard to public safety. I feel the same way about illegal drugs. Pushers who sell this shit to our children have NO human dignity. They know what this stuff does to people, yet the almighty dollar is what drives them to sell. As Forrest Gump would say, "that's all I got to say about that." |
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but if a guy selling guns doesn't sell to someone because bells went off in his head....isn't that a form of gun control? |
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there is a huge difference between someone selling drugs and someone selling handguns. one is legal and one is not. i agree that most collage students don't need a gun. but he was of age to buy one. the man who sold him the guns had no clue if the guy was safe or not. just as a guy who sales you a auto doesn't know if you are a good driver or not. its not his place to decide if you are fit or not. and if he doesn't sale you a product he could be sued by you for discrimination or something. putting the blame on the gun dealer is just silly. put it where it belongs. on the freak who did the killings. jerald |
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I didn't put the blame on the dealer. I didn't put blame on anyone. What is the difference in a legal gun dealer not selling a gun to a person because they aren't acting like a normal person when they come into your store and a bar owner not selling a drink to a customer because he knows he is too sh*tfaced? Nothing. The guy that sold the gun to him even stated that he didn't appear to be "quite right" when he came into the gun store, so, at that point, he had every right not to sell him a gun. Just like a drunk that staggers into a bar and wants to buy "one more for the road" does not have to be sold a drink. Bar owners (and the bartender that SOLD the drink) are now being held liable for a drunk driver killing someone if they are the one that sold them the drink. So, of that bar tender thinks a person is too drunk to be drinking any more, he/she does not have to sell that customer one sip of alcohol, and I doubt very seriously if any court in the USA would convict the bar owner/bartender of discrimination. As for the car dealer? Maybe there should be a requirement to check driving records before selling a car. Might reduce the amount of people who have had their drivers license revoked driving illegally. Gun control, huh? Well, piss on everyone. Let's just make it legal to sell any kind of gun in the world to anyone that wants to buy one. Let's equip the drug dealers with oozies, rpg's and anything else they want. Hell, why not? I mean, who would I blame if one of my children, or your children, or anyone's children got blown away because a 15 year old drug dealer thought they were cops and blew their fu*king brains out? Maybe I could get an invitation to your wife's/mother's/daughters funeral because she was held at gunpoint and raped repeatedly, then killed for no reason whatsoever. Perhaps I will visit your son/father/brother in a nursing home because he was shot in the head for the $5.00 bill he had in his wallet, cuz a drug crazed idiot with a gun shot him in the head. Oh, I don't know. I mean, gun control doesn't seem to have a purpose if we just freely arm anyone with any kind of weapon they want. After all, who needs gun control, anyway? How many presidents have we lost to a gun wielding lunatic? How many of our children have died as a result of "friendly fire" in a drug riddled neighborhood? How many fathers/brothers/sisters/mothers have senselessly died at the hands of a lunatic with a gun, only because we feel there's no need to control who gets a gun and where? Funny how many people I have encountered throughout the years that were against gun control suddenly change sides when a loved was was senselessly murdered by a person with a gun who was out of control. Ok. You got my vote. Let's do away with gun control. I'll see you at the next funeral, we can go out afterwards, get drunk drive off and kill someone, then sue the bar for selling us that one last drink, and I am sure we will be acquitted when we sue. Might even help us in our defense for vehicular manslaughter. |
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ummm if you go back and read my past posts you will see i think we need better gun control. as for this one dealer. thats the first time i have heard he felt the kid was unstable. if he felt that way he shouldn't have sold him the gun. but it wouldn't have stopped this from happening. he would have just gone online or to a gun show. there is blame here and it goes to two places. first the shooter. he chose to kill these kids. he not only choose to but spent a lot of time and effort in doing so. next the blame goes to the state. this kid had a history of mental health problems and should have been in a state data base that forbids him from buying a firearm. but sadly like in most cases it takes something like this to see what needs to be done. we have a right to bear arms but we seem to take that right wayyyyyy to far. no hunter needs a gun that shoots 30 rounds a sec. and no one really needs to own more than a few guns. those who have been convicted of a crime useing a gun and those who are mentally ill shouldn't be aloud to have them. we have great laws on the books, all we have to do is enforce then and stick to them. but really, the blame here is on the shooter. jerald |
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