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General : An Itemized Breakdown of the 8.5 Trillion Bailout to Date...This Bailout is Huge  
     
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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstant  (Original Message)Sent: 12/2/2008 12:36 AM


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From: MSN Nicknamesportstarr10Sent: 12/3/2008 12:19 AM
Good Find AC !!!

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From: MSN Nicknamesportstarr10Sent: 12/3/2008 12:19 AM
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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstantSent: 12/3/2008 2:44 AM
Auditors: Not enough oversight for bailout ...no kidding 
Treasury Department has no mechanism track taxpayer money, report says
The Associated Press
updated 7:19 p.m. ET, Tues., Dec. 2, 2008
 

WASHINGTON - The government must toughen its monitoring of the $700 billion financial bailout to ensure that banking institutions limit their top executives�?pay and comply with other restrictions, federal auditors said Tuesday in the first comprehensive review of the rescue package.

The Treasury Department has no mechanism in place to track how institutions are using $150 billion in taxpayer money that the government injected into the banking system as of last month, the Government Accountability Office concluded in its report to Congress.

The auditors acknowledged that the program, created Oct. 3 to help stabilize a rapidly faltering banking system, was less than 60 days old and has been adjusting to an evolving mission.

But the 72-page report was bound to feed congressional concern that banks and other institutions are not being properly monitored and are not using the money to increase lending.

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve said it was extending the life of lending programs aimed at smashing through credit clogs and restoring stability to financial markets. The Fed said the programs, originally slated to last through Jan. 30, would be extended through April 30 “in light of continuing strains in financial markets.�?/P>

On Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrials rose 270 points, making at least a dent in Monday’s huge drop of nearly 680.

As for the bailout plan, auditors specifically cited weaknesses in determining whether institutions that received bailout money are complying with limitations on executive compensation and dividend payments. For instance, some top executives at institutions that receive rescue funds must repay any incentives or bonus pay that was based on inaccurate financial statements.

“Treasury has not yet determined how it will monitor compliance with this or other requirements such as limitations on dividend payments and stock repurchases,�?the report states.

Auditors recommended that Treasury work with government bank regulators to determine whether the activities of financial institutions that receive the money are meeting their purpose.

In a response to the GAO, Neel Kashkari, who heads the department’s Office of Financial Stability, said the agency was developing its own compliance program and indicated that it disagreed with the need to work with regulators.

So far, the government has pledged to pour $250 billion into banks in return for partial ownership. It also has agreed to provide $40 billion to troubled insurer American International Group. In addition, $20 billion of the money was invested in Citigroup and another $20 billion went to the Federal Reserve to help ease credit stresses.

Initially, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the money would be used to buy distressed mortgage-related securities from banks. His switch in strategy drew criticism from lawmakers as a confusing mix of messages to the public and investors.

Responding to criticism, federal regulators urged banks to use the money they receive from the bailout to bolster lending. The advice, however, isn’t legally binding.

The GAO is one of three watchdogs that Congress has assigned to monitor the dispensation of the extraordinary $700 billion financial rescue package, known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. A congressional oversight panel is scheduled to issue its report on Dec. 10. In addition, Congress created an office of inspector general to oversee the program, but the appointment to the post has been anonymously blocked in the Senate.

Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus used the GAO report as an opportunity to demand the confirmation of veteran federal prosecutor Neil M. Barofsky to the inspector general’s job. An anonymous Republican senator has placed a hold on his confirmation.

“This report proves the immediate need for oversight of the taxpayer dollars being expended right now as part of TARP,�?Baucus said in a statement. “Because of one senator’s anonymous block on this nomination, three weeks have been lost �?a key element of the TARP oversight program is not in place.�?/P>

Senators are allowed to single-handedly block nominations. They have six days during which Congress is in session to reveal their holds. But those six days have not elapsed since the hold on Barofsky occurred.

Of the senators who attended Barofsky’s confirmation hearing on Nov. 19, only Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Tenn., who opposed the bailout plan itself, voiced reservations about the nomination.

“Ultimately, I believe Mr. Barofsky, with his impressive legal skills, can serve the public far better in the Southern District of New York, where he can continue to prosecute mortgage fraud,�?Bunning said at the time.

Bunning spokesman Mike Reynard would not comment on whether Bunning had placed the hold. He noted that the senator has co-sponsored legislation that would give the inspector general greater oversight authority.

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From: MSN NicknamemacroscopicSent: 12/3/2008 2:49 AM
this is fucking  pissing me off!  i am really mad!
 
so, we had a $700B bailout bill, and they have already spent 5x that much?  WITHOUT SUPERVISION?
 
i want my money back!

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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstantSent: 12/3/2008 2:57 AM
Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus used the GAO report as an opportunity to demand the confirmation of veteran federal prosecutor Neil M. Barofsky to the inspector general’s job. An anonymous Republican senator has placed a hold on his confirmation.

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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstantSent: 12/3/2008 3:01 AM
from a friend.. Wolfgar
 
I have always said that socialism for the poor, is cheaper than socialism for the rich!
I just didn't realize how much by?

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From: KutzSent: 12/3/2008 11:59 AM
Macro:  I am hopping mad too!  I have had to sit and listen to 20 years of "we aren't going to have enough money to cover SS obligations" but when it came to entitlement for the entitled, they found trillions within weeks!  The in-crowd has been practicing class warfare for years while demonizing any efforts to expose it!
 
Paulson is handing out money like candy to the places he may land next?  Baranke is no better. They refused to make the recipients in banking free up credit! They are killing this country! Their gambit will fail, but their pals will have vaccumed the booty away and printed us into oblivion.
 
Our president says he is sorry, but none of it was his fault!  Its always everybody else to blame.  I believe his pension and healthcare should be cut so he can feel up front what real Americans are dealing with! 
 
Kutz is paying off his house in two installments this and next month.  Already paid off my wifes new car.  No credit card debt either. I feel damn sad because this money will not get invested back into America and the market at this point, but I feel DAMN lucky I can even do it!  It will leave me with basically monthy household payments to internal infrastructure for what appears to be a very bad time coming.  It will also keep my family warm fed, and safe as much as I can create.
 
I will have much less to additionally invest over what I have, but over time, as long as our jobs hold up, it will come back to me in chunks!  Can't count on my clinical contracts and my wifes pharma job.  Must plan for the worst and hope for the best!  I feel for any/many that are worse off than I.  It is what it is!
 
Kutz 
 

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From: MSN NicknamemacroscopicSent: 12/3/2008 5:16 PM
Kutz- that was a FANTASTIC post, and i share your sentiments 100%

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From: MSN NicknameWallStreet_TycoonSent: 12/3/2008 10:55 PM
JMHO, but I dont see this as a bailout.  I see it as the US Government making an 'investment' in ourselves.  Yes it is our taxpayer monies, but look at it this way ... When the gov quote bailed out unquote CITI, they will eventually get a potentially gi-normous future windfall.  They got 'shares in CITI' in return.  CITI in the next 20 years will be worth far more than it is today.  Heck, probably in as little as 2 years.
 
The gov realizes as the savvvvvy investor does also, that right now .... CASH is KING.  Especially in a BEAR market.  CITI is just one example, I could name many more.  

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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstantSent: 12/3/2008 10:59 PM
WST your right ... Big  Government will find a way to spend the peoples gi-normous future windfall

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From: KutzSent: 12/4/2008 1:20 PM
Interesting post from another board.  There are more current causes for where we are and more longer term causes.  The content of this post does not create a strong economic America-it sucks it dry!    Its starting to get desert like out there!  You knew it was going to happen.  that was the plan all along!
 
 
I am off to play golf now-who knows where my clubs were made? 
 
Kutz 

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From: MSN Nicknamesportstarr10Sent: 12/4/2008 9:04 PM
Calls for a 1 Trillion $$$ Stimulas Package
 

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From: KutzSent: 12/4/2008 10:54 PM
Whatever we do, it is clear it needs to directly affect the middle class or we will die as a country!.  I advocate the final stimulus (whatever the number) reflect 2/3 tax cut for everybody making under $250,000/yr.  The other 1/3 to infrastructure and the obvious unemployment benefits replenishment that will be needed.  Any amount higher than 250K-start cutting spending like common sense people!
 
These companies are laying people off so fast to try and survive in hibernation. They have already shipped so many jobs overseas, ts pathetic.  Everytime they do it, its less poeple to buy their crap!  Banks won't loan, bt accept the handouts.  They can't make money that way!
 
Onother idea could include allowing a one time tax free-withdrawal from 401-K plans equal to a maximum amount or a maximum percentage and tell the "son of a bitches"to pay their freakin bills off!  Why worry about retirement when some of my friends worry they will lose their homes in 2009 and have 500K  in the 401-K.  Its  getting that desperate out there.
 
Another idea would be to expand the amount of capital gain losses that can be declared per year.  At a rate of $3,500.00 per year, I doubt uncle sam is getting any capital gains taxes from most anyway!
 
Regarding corporate tax rates-tell them to kiss my big fat arse!  the rates are some of the highest in the industrial world, but they got so many tax braks and credits over half don't pay shit anyway!-----Screw them!
 
Kutz 

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From: MSN NicknameArmchairConstantSent: 12/4/2008 11:50 PM
... Kutz... calm down big guy

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From: KutzSent: 12/5/2008 12:08 AM
As Apollo Creed said in the ring before the second fight between Rocky and Mr. T (when he scrapped with the opponent before the fight started) in Rocky 2!
 
"I AM BEING COOL"  Could have gotten the verbal automatic out instead of the shotgun!   My mole mallet is the nuclear option!
 
Kutz 

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