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From: MSN NicknameMarc-E-Poo1  (Original Message)Sent: 12/18/2008 3:04 AM
 
 
 
 

Bush administration gives energy companies steep discounts in royalties

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WASHINGTON - The Bush administration gave energy companies steep discounts in the royalties they will be required to pay as it established the groundwork Monday for commercial oil shale development on federal land.

Interior Department officials said the 5 percent royalty rate during the first five years of production was needed to spur drilling while still giving taxpayers a fair return. But that rate is much lower than the 12.5 percent to 18.8 percent the government collects from companies harvesting conventional oil and gas on public lands.

"In the short run, the American economy will continue to rely on oil and that means we need to increase supplies particularly here at home," said Stephen Allred, Assistant Secretary of Land and Minerals Management, during a call with reporters. "Public lands have a significant role to play."

Monday's announcement sets parameters such as the royalty rate and lease sizes, but it will be up to the incoming Obama administration to decide whether to proceed with leasing. Officials on Monday said commercial leasing was five to 10 years away.

The announcement by the Interior Department comes months after Congress �?pressured by the White House and Republicans to increase domestic energy �?failed to renew a ban on issuing final oil shale regulations.

In September, the Bush administration opened up approximately 1.9 million acres of federal property in Wyoming, Colorado and Utah to potential oil shale development.

Lawmakers from those Western states, which will receive half of the royalties collected, have said it is too early to issue final rules on oil shale development since so little is known about its impacts on the environment and water resources.

"These regulations are premature and flawed," said Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., in a statement. "The Bush administration is rushing ahead with rules for a development process that they know little about,"

But Allred said 'rules of the road' were needed now so companies could plan investments. Leasing would not occur, he said, without further environmental review.

Up to 800 billion barrels of oil �?enough to displace oil imports for 100 years, according to the Interior Department �?is locked within fine-grained rock known as oil shale. The bulk of the resources are within a 16,000-square-mile area known as the Green River formation in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

Energy companies are looking into various ways of extracting the oil economically. Unlike traditional sources of oil, oil shale is costly to produce. Energy is needed to bake the rock and pump the molten oil to the surface. Shale oil can cost about $37.75 to $65.21 a barrel to produce, compared with $19.50 per barrel for conventional crude, according to Interior Department figures.

A government program to subsidize oil shale development in the 1980s was shut down when cost figures came in at several times the then-market price for oil.

Who's digging where

Companies and individuals currently working on oil-shale projects

Royal Dutch Shell: Researching an "in-situ," or in-the-ground, method of heating oil shale at the Mahogany Research Project in Rio Blanco County. Shell is putting electric heaters into drill holes to gradually heat kerogen over a period of years. A freeze wall is being constructed around the heated area to sequester ground water.

EGL Resources: Plans to also use in-situ heating of the lowest layers of oil shale in northwest Colorado. They plan to use gas-powered steam boilers or electric heaters in wells that are drilled horizontally at the bottom of oil shale deposits. Groundwater would be protected by pumping it out of the ground.

Chevron: In a method developed by teaming with Los Alamos National Laboratories, Chevron proposes to drill wells and fracture oil shale by injecting carbon dioxide gas and possibly explosives. Hot carbon dioxide would circulate through the fractured shale to decompose the kerogen. Chevron's method does not anticipate any groundwater mixing with the fractured rock.

ExxonMobil: Proposes to use fracing in horizontal wells and to hold the fractures open with electrical conductors that would work like a giant toaster to heat the kerogen. ExxonMobil was turned down for a government research and development grant and will do its research at its Colony Project site near Parachute.

Oil Shale Exploration Company: Plans to reopen the shuttered White River oil shale mine near Vernal, Utah. Shale will be mined conventionally and initially sent to Canada for a heating and processing method called retorting. Crushing and cooking the oil shale above ground would later be done on site.

Red Leaf Resources: Plans to test a method called Ecoshale on its own land outside Vernal. Shale will be mined and turned into rubble before the kerogen is melted out in a surface retort powered by gas produced in that area. The mineral-laden tailings would be contained in capsules.

Raytheon and CF Technology: Working on a process to lower radio-frequency antennas into wells to heat the kerogen. Fluids would then be pumped into the ground to dissolve the petroleum. Production would happen in months rather than years. This technology would be sold to other companies.

Brent Fryer: This former Exxon engineer was turned down for a research and demonstration permit for a surface mining method that involves an above-ground processing method he calls "black box pyrolysis." Fryer, who lives in St. George, Utah, is moving ahead but won't say what that proprietary method entails.



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From: MSN Nicknamesportstarr10Sent: 12/18/2008 12:30 PM
They've been fighting this tooth & nail ... Plus ...
 
"Shale oil can cost about $37.75 to $65.21 a barrel to produce, compared with $19.50 per barrel for conventional crude, according to Interior Department figures."
 
Some of the stocks are Traders but be careful don'tcha know ...

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From: KutzSent: 12/18/2008 1:47 PM
There are also technical difficulties to producing kerogen and aromatics from this, there are energy costs that are very high here, and their are environmental concerns to exploiting these resources.  Just like coal gasification!
 
But we at least have them and should be working towards being ready to utilize in a better manner.  This is where government can actually play a role!  This technology when looked at comprehensively is still 10-15 years off!  No reason not to move towards it.  New technologies to exploit are out there!
 
In the meantime focus on oilsands-a still evolving industry that is still more mature than oil shale and is resolving the issues I listed above!!
 
Kutz 

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From: MSN NicknameMarc-E-Poo1Sent: 12/18/2008 7:24 PM
Thanks for the imput Kutz.
The 10-15 years is a long ways off but if they started exploited and put further funding into research they could possibly shorten that time frame, because you can bet your grandma's teeth we will see oil go back above $80-90+ a barrel before that 10-15 years is up.
I'm looking for companies that make the technology to produce,locate,etc the oil....the actual infrastructue behind the Shells and Chevrons of the world to extract the oil.....ideas? 

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From: BrunoSent: 12/18/2008 8:13 PM
Marc,  I am in the industry and , I am not sure of your question,  there are large vendors which supply services to the major and minor oil companys.
 
Noble, and Graywolf drilling are an example of rig contractors.
 
Baker Hugh and Schlumberger  offer formation evalulation, cemmenting, and completion operations.
 
All the companies us inhouse earth scientists to guess where to drill at.
using 3D seismic as a main exploration tool
 
3D, involes both acqusition, and interpetation companys like Paragon,  landmark,  Western,  Corelabs.
 
 I am currently buying all the Hk   I can.  They are really on top of their game right now with outstanding longterm assets, with thousands of newly acquired leases holding drill sites to their recent press releases.
 
 
 
 

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From: KutzSent: 12/18/2008 8:15 PM
If we have the will-we will find a way!  Oil shales are no different!  Still work to do!
 
Kutz 

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From: KutzSent: 12/19/2008 3:31 PM
I will continue to invest in North American energy plays (especially Canada).  Its really no-brainer mid-term and long term!  Geopolitically we must get out from under the Middle east no matter what the current price is-its only buying us some time!!  We will be do North America by default as the ME slowly down their resources and China and India keep selling cars.
 
I focus more on exploration and production versus services, but its all good.  Its all about securing and owning a piece of the supply and production
 
I like all the major oil companies and have or have had PBG.TO, CNQ, ECA, COP, SU etc. I have played others too.  Some like SU are mostly oilsands and some like ECA and CNQ are more diversified into classical oil and natural gas! I will continue to play them and more especially in oilsands for the next 3 years. 
 
Supposedly having too much oil is a current phenonoma that won't last! Its pricing currently is a con game!  Current activity in energy and pricing and PPS will not last!  Its all going to go back up. 
 
I'll enjoy the low prices when driving to IL for Christmas!   I'll be ready when it goes back up!
 
Kutz 

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