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| | From:  Jreb1861 (Original Message) | Sent: 8/23/2008 7:35 PM |
| There is no comparison to the Confederacy and Nazi Germany. The South wanted inpendence. Nazi Germany wanted to take control of other countries. There's no comparison. kenny is wrong. | Reply
| | There is no comparison to the Confederacy and Nazi Germany. The South wanted inpendence. Nazi Germany wanted to take control of other countries. There's no comparison. kenny is wrong. But Reiver is right. Why you hypocritical SOB... | | |
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I agree with Cat and Jack. It is a WASTE of time, arguing with people like: Usual, PD, Kenny, etc. Why argue with a brick wall? Teresa |
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As I see it, that whole rotten den of snakes over there at MCDF don't even have a clue as to what the word "debate" or "discuss" even mean.But they sure are familiar with Denial Rivah. I doubt very seriously if the majority of them even live in the real world, they are so caught up in their own lies and paranoia.Hey let em eat their own, that's less mess we have to contend with. We just don't need them folks. We got enough stuff here on our own plates that we can discuss and debate, and laugh at, and ponder on. I guess that by us being a southern group and discussing southern topics and what have you, maybe we've become just a bit jaded when it comes to putting up with any put downs about the South from Yanks or those from that so-called New South thing. I still haven't figured that New South thing out yet, but I'm working on it. Y'all just bear with me. |
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Reiver wrote: You see Gen, I don't automatically buy in to the "preservation of slavery" indoctrination as the reason for the actions of the South. {My Emphasis Added} I refuse to bow my head in shame and prostrate myself upon the rack of eternal repentance. I am able to reason for myself and therein have done the research and have found otherwise. I do feel that I can adequately defend my position, so they can all kiss my red Southern ass. My Reply: I have no problem with "slavery as the reason for secession." Where I disagree with PD, Usual, & Kenny is that I realize that it wasn't a defense of slavery based on its morality by the South nor an attack on slavery for its morality by the North - - - PD can only thing about slavery as a "moral" cause of the war. The number of people who believed in Negro equality was very small indeed. The defense and attack were centered around slavery as a labor and economic system. Lincoln wanted to prevent the expansion of slavery into the territories as a means of solidifying political power. He was perfectly content to leave slavery in place where it existed as a way of sustaining the economic means to exercise that political power to the benefit of the competing free labor system used by the northern industrialists - - - who were Lincoln's political benefactors. Slavery as an economic and political context is the reason for secession. It is not the cause of the war because it requires Lincoln's opposition to secession for that explicit reason to be causal. PD, Usual, & Kenny will never admit this because it would mean that the North is culpable for the war and its destruction. This is because what Lincoln shared with PD, Usual, & Kenny is a belief in: - An all powerful national goernment that imposes its will equally across the entire country
- The denial of that our government is supposed to be a "republic"
- The right of government to transfer wealth from one group of individuals to another
- The need for government to protect its citizens where they are "helpless" (e.g., weak against foreign competition)
Usual sustains this position using the fallacious "argument from authority" based on Marshall Court (and later Chase Court) rulings by the Supreme Court - - - whether they are consistent with the Constitution or not. Why? Because Usual thinks that the Constitution is anything that the Supreme Court says it is - - - he abhors a literal reading of the Constitution or any of the documents upon which it was founded. Because these are core beliefs held by PD, Usual, & Kenny, you will never change their minds no matter how many facts you put out there. It is a waste of time. Jack |
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"you will never change their minds no matter how many facts you put out there." ......thats true, but it was fun for a while. I enjoyed matching wits with them until I realized they were at a big disavantage. Perhaps if by some small chance an outsider should read some of the posts, they will see PD, Usual and Kenny for what they are, yankee bigots. There were some very good pro-Southern points made and hopefully a person with an open mind and wants to learn the truth about the South will read them. JMHO Jreb |
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Because these are core beliefs held by PD, Usual, & Kenny, you will never change their minds no matter how many facts you put out there. It is a waste of time. Points well taken, Jack but understand that it is not my aim nor my expectations to change their minds. I am playing to the audience. My purpose on MDCF is to spike and poison their monolithic indoctrination mantras with shreds of doubt. If I can make them look like hypocritical bigots and hone my debate skills in the process, it is just icing on the cake. |
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My purpose on MDCF is to spike and poison their monolithic indoctrination mantras with shreds of doubt. Hmmmm....In other words keep stirring in the feces pot. Careful you don't get some of the stink on you reiver. Remember you can't change their minds when there is no mind there to change. They are U S brainwashed. |
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Remember that the true definitiion of a fanatic is "Someone that won't change the subject and can't change their minds". Just food for thought when you are fighting with them. Lonster |
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Reiver - Take a look at my MDCF posts under "Unitarianism." You'll need to go back to my first post and read forward. It demonstrates my point - - - and particularly about PD - - - that their minds can't be changed, they are focused on blaming the South, and that anything that lays culpability on the North is studiously avoided, rationlized or outright denied. Jack |
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Yes Jack, and well done. I have been following when time allows. PD is indeed a fanatic and that becomes more evident with every post he makes. A typical tactic of his is to try to slip in irrelevant issues and then demand you prove him wrong. I don't think he is really that smart, but he is slippery. Good luck and don't let Usual lead you off into the weeds. Make him stay relevant as well, and remember Usual never, ever, concedes a point. |
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Reiver - Oh, I ain't goin back. Had a point to prove and proved it. When Kenney-kins showed up I knew it was time to leave. Jack |
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Jack, PD made a post I had to respond to. But if you plan on leaving, you should probably make a post there explaining about Kenny, otherwise they will just claim your leaving as a victory. |
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Reiver - See my last post, as addressed to Kenney, in response to his Bleeding Kansas and states rights remark. Think I zinged him good before saying goodbye, one last time. I onle posted because of Unitarianism, but got drawn into a larger discussion with PD. I stayed much longer than I intended. Jack |
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You might notice that PD also ignored answering my questions about what about slavery the South was defending . . . someone else can press this case if they are so inclined. |
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Good job Jack, Kenny has this blind bigotry that can't be stopped by reason. Chop his logic to shreds and he will come back a week later and start again like nothing ever happened. I think you got your point across. I have to go out on a job today, so I will be away from a computer that I can post on for a while. I don't trust networks, especially government ones. |
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