Laidbacktoo, You might want to check out The PhpBB Group is  http://www.phpbb.com/ .I know  the owner of a group, that switch from MSN, a few years ago. He got sick and tired of MSN'S problems and glitches. This is what he told me. "Well we like the Phpbb forum, it holds a lot of data and it's easy to retrieve." If you would like to visit his group, it is at http://michaellee.modernwriters.org/index.php?sid=f98fd8eab7c9a07fde2f7e6f55d01e3b .Teresa