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| The Pentigram. Is this the synbol of evil? Let's explore this: The number 5 has always been regarded as mystical and magical and yet essentially Human. We have five fingers, five toes and five senses - sight, hearing, smell, touch and taste. You will note that the star has five points. In order from the top and clockwise you have spirit at the top, to the right is water, the bottom right "leg" is fire and the left "leg" is earth and the left "arm" is air. These are the 5 basic points in Paganism. These points have been given to us by our Gods and we worship them for this as do the other religions for their God, or Gods for what they have gotten from them. There are two basic types of Pentigrams. The circled one as seen above and an open one with no circle. The open Pentigram indicates openness to all things physical and mental. Openness to new ideas and thoughts. The circled one has another meaning. The circle around the star is for protection against evil. This doesn't mean that the person wearing it is not open. It simply means that the person is protecting himself, or herself against evil. Relating the Pentigram to evil: The Pentigram has been misconstrued as a symbol of the Devil. It is not, nor has it ever been such. Pagans do not worship the Devil. In fact we don't even believe in the Devil. We theorize that the Devil is a mere invention of organized religions to instill fear and loathing into their parishioners. The Pentigram, viewed upside down, with one arm pointing down has also been misconstrued as the symbol of the Devil. This was taken from us by those who do worship the Devil. They had not the intelligence or the insite to make up a symbol of their own, so they stole ours, much the same as other religions have stolen the cross and modified it for their own purposes. Pentigrams with other symbols attached. There are numerous Pentigrams with symbols attached. They could be any one of a number of things. Animals, Fairies, plants, and other known objects. These can indicate a number of things. Each individual wearer of a Pentigram has his, or her own beliefs and these may be indicated by an attached symbol to their Pentigram. I wear a half dollar sized Pentigram with a Wolf's head on it. This is because when In lived among the Tlingit People in Alaska, I discovered that my guardian spirit is the Wolf. I have seen Pentigrams with common, known dogs on them and horses. This doesn't mean the wearer has a guardian spirit of that which is on the pentigram. It merely means that the wearer has a fondness for that breed of dog, or horse. Much the same as the "I  MY (DOG BREED)" bimperstickers. So...the Pentigram is not the symbol of evil. It is merely the symbol of our religion...the oldest religion on the planet. Paganism predates all known religions by thousands of years. |
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walking around school saying they worship satan is enough to prove it. Saying proves nothing. Anyone could walk around and say I'm a this, or I'm a that. The proof positive would be seeing them in a worship ceremony. Observing what they are doing. |
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Ah
yes! The old "creation/evolution" debate. This will be going on until
the last two Humans on the planet are standing, facing each other.
Creation has not been proven and neither has evolution, but scientific
evidence points toward evolution. Carbon dating is not the most
accurate way of determining a time factor, but it the only one we have
at the moment.
I believe that man, as we
know him today, has evolved from a lower form of Humanoid. Not
the primates as many have said, but from a lower form of Human. In
recored history we had the Neanderthals followed by the Cro Magnon.
From the Cro Magnon came modern man. I believe that somewhere along
the evolutionary trail Primates and Man shared the same branches of the
tree, but somewhere along the way the trail split. Man evolving in one
direction, Primates in another. I also believe that Dolphins, Whales
and other air breathing, sea living mammals were once land animals, but
for some reason, or another, they were driven back into the seas where
they evolved into what they are today. Perhapes the alleged great
flood of Noah's time was the cause of this? I lean toward the
evolution side of things, but I respect anyone's opinion on the
creation side.
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Yes evolution is very plausible (I studied for a biology degree) until
you get back to the "where did life come from?" part and the Scientists
have no answer and the "big bang" theory is not any better and
constantly changes (initially it was all the matter in the universe was
condensed together and it was huge millions of miles of dirt then it
bacame hundreds of miles then miles then fractions of miles the micro
metres, smaller and smaller until now they say all the matter of the
universe was squashed into a dot or there was simply nothign at
all......which exploded and created the universe. Not very convincing
when you get down to it.
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Well the Earth is only about 6000 years old anyhow
mate........
Uh....try about four
point five billion years on that one. Carbon
dating has proven this. Science is not exactly certain the exact
age of the planet, but 4.5 billion years is moderately close figure.
As for the chap
calling himself a "Warlock"...I will presume he's a Witch and is not in
tune with proper terminology. A warlock is not a male Witch. A Male
witch is a Witch. The term "Warlock" was coined by the Catholic
Religion in the middle ages. They hired people to infiltrate Witch
Covens and spy on them. These spies were Warlocks. As for him buying
stones in"head shops" it is said that there is healing power in
stones. I find this a little difficult to believe, however,
Lodestones...natural magnets do have the ability to ease up arthritis
suffering. The Chinese have been using magnetic therapy for a long
time and have found out that in some cases it works.
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Yeah the RC Church has a penchant for burning people at the stake
wether it be the Jews in the spanish Inquisition or Protestant
"Heretics" throughout Europe such as the St Bartholomew massacres in
France, 1641 massacres in Ireland or numerous other burnings at the
stake in places like England under Catholic monarchies. Indeed this is
bonfire night / guy fawkes night in England (remember, Remember, the
firth of november. gunpowder, treason and plot........) where they set
bonfires and burn effigies of guys Fawkes and/or the Pope.
From the Lewes
Bonfire Council
http://www.lewesbonfirecouncil.org.uk/
But what is the Lewes
tradition all about? Several things are remembered, all of which were
originally undeniably sectarian:
the burning of 17 Protestant martyrs in Lewes High Street from
1555 to 1557, under the reign of Mary Tudor;
the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, when conspirators led by Robert Catesby
planned to blow up King James I as he opened Parliament, the plot being
foiled by the discovery of Guy Fawkes about to ignite the barrels of
gunpowder in the cellars of the Houses of Parliament;
the landing of William of Orange (William III, half of William and
Mary) on 5th November 1688 to restore a Protestant monarchy.
These days sectarianism plays scarcely any part in the festivities.
What is chiefly celebrated is a pride in freedom and independence,
stemming from an innate dislike of being dictated to by outsiders - be
they foreign powers, or any who attempt unfairly to exert their
authority or influence. It is not for nothing that the unofficial motto
of Sussex (of which Lewes
is the County Town) is "We won't be druv!" The major act of remembrance
nowadays is that for the dead of the two World Wars, each Society in
turn laying a wreath at the War Memorial. Although some societies in
particular pay homage to the old traditions, with effigies of Pope Paul
V (Camillo Borghese, Pope at the time of the Gunpowder Plot) and Guy
Fawkes exploding in a blaze of fireworks, Bonfire is certainly no
longer a Protestant festival, and Roman Catholics and people of all
beliefs participate freely in the celebrations.
The Carnival held on the Fifth of
November,
Is a sight if once seen you will ever remember,
Such rousers and squibs,
Such torches and fire,
Gigantic processions, fantastic attire.
Nor would we forget how it once was the scene,
Of the burning of Martyrs when Mary was Queen,
The truth which led them to die at the stake,
May the people of Lewes
never forsake.
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Good Point! The big bang theory is just that...a theory with no concrete evidence to prove it...but...the universe is expanding very slowly. This was proven by taking measurements between galaxies and stars. So...there had to be something to cause this expansion. In space there is no gravity, so objects moving through space won't basically stop until they encounter a gravitational force to cause the to stop. If a cannon ball were launched in space...that ball would almost travel on forever, or, at least until it encountered a gravitational, or magnetic force to pull it in. So the big bang is a non proven theory, but it is more plausible than the creation theory which also hasn't been proven. |
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Pony, I lean toward the evolution theory too. The
only part of your post that I would tend do disagree with is the part
about the sea mammals. I had always thought that they simply didn't
see a need to come ashore and develop legs. Their food source was
plentiful enough to stay in the ocean. I could be wrong and, like you,
I welcome all theories on this.
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IF evolution were true, Pony is probably correct since the development
of lungs / breathing air directly, larger brain size and the fact that
they are warm blooded point in the direction that they are land animals
that have moved back to the water. Their bone structures are entirely
unlike any fish (which makes sense since they are not fish) and
entirely inline with land animal bone structures. Add to this the very
complicated social interactions of the animals and it seems very
improbable that if they "evolved" that they did so as a seperate
branching from "fish" (ie you seem to be suggesting that land animals
intially came from fish, developed legs and lungs and live offspring as
opposed to eggs and somewhere along the line became warm blooded and
that dolphins somehow evolved much the same whilst staying in the
water).
There are however some curious discoveries and anomalies like the
"hobbit" human fossils found recently which may have been alive a
recently as 3000 years ago, Oliver the "Humanzee" and various animals
that were supposed to be long since extinct being found alive and well
and indeed the duck billed platypus is a warm blooded mammal that lays
eggs...................
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I don't accept that old theory about a fish crawling out of the water, and developing legs, lungs and all that nonsense. That one is just a little too far fetched. I do think though that sea dwelling mammals were at one time land animals...millions of years back. My theory is the land, for some reason, or another became gradually inhospitable and it drove them into the sea...not back into the sea. I theorize that they were land animals to begin with, but because of the changing environment and the availability of a water mass for protection...they migrated there, then began to adapt and evolve into what they are now. |
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Good
Point! The big bang theory is just that...a theory with no concrete
evidence to prove it...but...the universe is expanding very slowly.
This was proven by taking measurements between galaxies and stars.
So...there had to be something to cause this expansion. In space there
is no gravity, so objects moving through space won't basically stop
until they encounter a gravitational force to cause the to stop. If a
cannon ball were launched in space...that ball would almost travel on
forever, or, at least until it encountered a gravitational, or magnetic
force to pull it in.
So the big bang is a non
proven theory, but it is more plausible than the creation theory which
also hasn't been proven.
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And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Where did the
intitial material or "nothing" come from to "explode". Secondly the
same scientists say that the universe will begin to shrink back into
nothingness (a bit like an elastic band )
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I think space, as we understand it, has always been there. Maybe not as vast as it is now, but it has always been there. Sometime, way back when, there was a cataclysmic accident. Several stars, or several hundred stars were somehow drawn together creating the big bang. I'm no rocket scientist in any sense of the word. I am just hazarding guesses from what I know about space. |
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I
think space, as we understand it, has always been there. Maybe not as
vast as it is now, but it has always been there. Sometime, way back
when, there was a cataclysmic accident. Several stars, or several
hundred stars were somehow drawn together creating the big bang. I'm
no rocket scientist in any sense of the word. I am just hazarding
guesses from what I know about space.
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which of course draws the immediate question where did this space and
the stars come from to have this "accident"?
Of course you can also ask so where does God come from?
but I am far more comfortable with the fact that God created the
universe than with the explanation that "nothing" exploded and created
the universe and "life" just appeared out of dirt since that
explanation actually explains absolutely nothing whatsoever and is
still leaves it open to the fact that God is behind the whole thing.
If there is no god then why are we here and how did the universe get
here and "was there ever a beginning"?
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This is where it always comes to. You believe in the Biblical aspect of this...I don't. I walked away from organized religion when I was in high school. I had done a report in school on the "possibilities of life on other planets". The minister of the church that I was attending at the time ordered me to get down on my knees and to beg God to forgive me for being a sinner in believing that there could be life on other planets. I told him I wouldn't do that....walked out of the church and haven't been back since. I later became a Pagan and learned the Pagan ways. We respect others of other religions and we will not cast aspersions on them for their beliefs. |
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Ok, Pony and Aughavey, you guys have me re-thinking my position on the sea mammals. You guys sure have a good discussion going here! Aughavey, I agree with your point about God. I very much believe in a Higher Power and a Creator of the Universe. sunday |
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Well if you don't believe in God, better hope your right. I believe in God, and if I'm wrong in my belief, when the time comes I have lost nothing. |
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The pagan religion has the God and Goddess. I have said and still say God by any other name is still God. Men took the feminine aspect out of the Christian religion a long time ago. It was once there though. |
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Laidback: Paganism has many gods and goddesses. Each different sect has their own. |
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I am well aware of that pony. |
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