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General : Another reason to get the hell out of NYC!
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From: MSN Nickname-JX  (Original Message)Sent: 12/30/2008 1:48 PM
In my opinion, there should be NO PAYROLL TAX aimed to fund the MTA. The people of NY are constantly strong armed into throwing good money after bad into this system. Like any other business, I believe that the MTA should be able to run on the money it generates. If there is a need for more money, it should be on the shoulders of those who use this system and not those who don't. Why should tolls on the bridges be increased to fund the MTA? It is obvious that those who are paying the increased money do not get any benefit from it. Why should workers be saddled with a new tax to fund something that some will not receive any benefit from? This makes about as much sense as instituting a payroll tax to help fund the purchase of new cars for those who wish to travel by motor vehicle.
 
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From the NY Post....

After the MTA unleashed two massive fare-hike proposals yesterday, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said lawmakers were poised to back a business-payroll tax to help bail out the transit agency.

"I think we're in a position to enact the payroll tax," Silver told The Post. "I think its doable on a legislative basis."

Earlier this month, former MTA Chairman Richard Ravitch authored a rescue plan that proposed that the first year of revenues from a 0.33 percent payroll tax could be used to drastically reduce - but not eliminate - the 2009 fare hike.

He also suggested tolling the now-free East and Harlem river bridges, a politically murky idea.

Gov. Paterson's office expects to submit a bill on Ravitch's proposals early in the next legislative session, a spokeswoman said.

Fare hikes without funds from a payroll tax would be dire.

Under one plan, a 30-day unlimited MetroCard would cost $103. Another would raise the base cash fare to $3. Transit officials will choose between the two after the public weighs in at eight hearings that begin on Jan. 14.

Under the first proposal, officials evenly applied an increase to every type of fare.

The base MetroCard and cash fare would jump to $2.50.

The unlimited-ride cards and express-bus fares would take the hardest hit in this plan, with 30-day cards reaching $103, 14-day cards $59, seven-day cards $31 and one-day passes $9.50.

The $22 increase on the monthly unlimited MetroCards would cost riders "$264 more a year, for an annual total of $1,236," noted Gene Russianoff, spokesman for the Straphangers Campaign, a transit watchdog.

Under the second proposal, the base cash fare for a single ride on subways and buses will jump to $3, but the cost per ride on a MetroCard will be $2.25.

"The proposal strongly encourages customers to buy a MetroCard," MTA spokesman Jeremy Soffin said. "They'll save money and speed the bus trip for fellow riders."

The MTA said it would charge $99 for a 30-day pass, $57 for a 14-day pass and $31 for a seven-day pass.

Express-bus cash fares would rise to $6.25 under the first plan and $6 under the second.

The hike would take effect June 1.



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From: Linda 40Sent: 12/30/2008 3:05 PM
Yes Jim, it does suck big time.  Unfortunately,I have 10-11 years til retirement.  We all pay big time for goverment bailing out every big company, except they always forget about us.  Instead of making these idiots take pay cuts (the big shots) and give back their bonuses, something should be done for the people down the food chain.
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname-JXSent: 12/31/2008 12:28 AM
Linda, this has nothing to do with CEO's or bonuses...this has to do with government not acting responsibly. Can you imagine if this practice was carried out in the private sector??
 
I read, today, that the gov of SC has refused to sign a request for federal money for the Unemployment division in the state until they agree to a third party audit. They have refused and unemployment will stop January 1st as that the state is out of money. As cruel as the gov may sound, I applaud him for standing his ground on this issue. This didn't just happen today or yesterday, this has been going on since last February. What does the Unemployment Division have to hide? If nothing, why not open thier books for the third party audit?
 
I think it is time for people in this country to stand up and take back our government and I do not believe Obama is the answer....To be honest, I don't know who is. Whjat I do know is that I am really pissed off at the fact that we, the American People, are being treated like a bottomless well of money for politicians and their pet projects. I am sick andf tired of seeing my money going to those who refuse to work for what they need..Just like this subway bullshit. Let those who use the subways pay for it. If the MTA can't manage on the money they are making, they have to tighten their belts just like the rest of us.

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From: MSN NicknameMarty-GSent: 12/31/2008 1:47 AM
I'm not sure it's all that simple.

In New York City, public transportation--the subway in particular--is an essential service, almost as indispensable as police, fire, sanitation, water or electricity.

Funding and maintaining the transit system and keeping it viable for the general public is a terribly complex issue.  There is no single solution that will satisfy everybody.


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From: MSN NicknameHerbM0Sent: 12/31/2008 11:39 PM
NYC has always been the center of the earth.  It still is.

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From: MSN NicknameCrotonaPark40s-50sSent: 12/31/2008 11:40 PM
Public transportation should be free in NYC. It should be supported by tax revenues. As is, fares are a regressive tax on people who can least afford them. 

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From: MSN NicknameMarty-GSent: 12/31/2008 11:43 PM
Public transportation should be free in NYC.
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I think that's a fare proposal.

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From: MSN NicknameHerbM0Sent: 12/31/2008 11:44 PM
In some cities the fare is free in the downtown corridor.

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From: MSN Nickname-JXSent: 1/1/2009 12:01 AM
Personally, I think if it can't support itself, it should shut down...but alas, now a days, personal responsibilty is a thing of the past and Tax Payers will get screwed again...People who work hard and have achieved more than others through their work will have to foot the bill once again for some who are happy to be on the dole. It Sucks!

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From: MSN NicknameMarty-GSent: 1/1/2009 12:29 AM
People who work hard and have achieved more than others through their work will have to foot the bill once again for some who are happy to be on the dole.
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The implication is that only people who are "happy to be on the dole" are the only ones who ride the subway.

That's an oversimplification and simply isn't accurate.

Lots of people who work hard and have achieved more than others through their work ride the subway.

Jim, do you ride the subway when you're in New York?  If you do, next time take a good look at your fellow passengers.

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From: MSN Nickname-JXSent: 1/1/2009 4:12 AM
Marty. once again you have decided to read what you want...Notice the word "SOME" in my post.

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From: MSN NicknameBronxBobby1Sent: 1/1/2009 1:50 PM
just more rob from the rich and give to the useless.

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From: frankgSent: 1/1/2009 3:34 PM
There's no way New York can exist without the transportation system; the traffic congestion would cause total paralysis. And there's no way in the foreseeable future that it can support itself thru its own revenues. I used to work for a comparable agency and fiscal management certainly could be better but that would only help a little. Most of the costs are labor costs, and the most bloated areas are middle/upper middle management.
BTW, the inability of these systems to support themselves is not new. You'd have to go back to the 1920s for when private companies in the urban transport business were profitable.

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