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CARTRIDGES : Wildcat .358 calibers
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From: MSN NicknamePeriscope_depth1  (Original Message)Sent: 06/10/2005 21:12
The .358 caliber is really a terrific one but to date, there are only 5 standard rounds for this diameter.
 
.35 Whelen and 35 Remington loaded ammo is not too hard to find....but good luck trying to find .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester or .350 Remington Magnum rounds.
 
I think what is needed is something in between the real thump of the .35 Whelen and the puny 35 Remington.
 
How about something like the .358 x57 Improved?  What a perfect compromise between the two extremes?
 
Think about it?  Why not use the .250 Savage case and neck it up to .358?
For more thump....necking down the .405 Winchester for a lever gun or necking down the .45-70.
 
Just some thoughts....what are yours?


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From: MooslyManSent: 10/10/2005 07:15
Periscope
    For some reason the 35`s don`t sell well
enough for the biggies to invest the funds to
meet your request in factory loads.The 358
Win fits the bill for your thinking, it is one of
the best short range deer and bear rounds! I
see a few boxes on the shelves now and then
but reloading is it`s only true savior. To use
a 250 or 7x57 case for a 35 wildcat would
not achieve anything the 358 Win can not
do by loading up or down! The old 9.3x57
still has some fans, the 35 whelen is one of
best 35`s, Remington tried hard to make it
a standard round but folks just do not buy
35`s for some reason, do know those that
like them, like them alot, see a few of 35 Rems
in the eastern woods in opening day! I have
an old 94 Win in 38/55 that would be my pick
for such use. Think Winchester is offering
it again. If you like the 35`s and want a short
bolt rifle, get a short action Rem, Win or
Rugar and get a one barreled for 358 win!
I still see a few whelens at the gun shows, I
think a 35/284 would be great, but don` ask
the manufacters to make your ammo!
 
                                              Moos

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From: MSN NicknamePeriscope_depth1Sent: 21/10/2005 22:33
Nice thoughts.....yes, perhaps the .358 Win is just the ticket.
 
Still....the brass from a 8x57 Mauser is a bit larger and I know that currently....there is a standard Ackley Improved 7x57.....so, increasing the shoulder angle and with a slightly larger case (SHOULD) improve 100 to 200 fps on the .358 Winchester....a round that is very good but it could be better.
 
Let me say again.....the .358's DO KICK if you launch these big bullets over 2,500 fps.  Then again......you don't HAVE to tenderize your shoulder in order to enjoy the benefits of the larger caliber.
 
I can think of nothing more effective for deer, elk and other non-dangerous big game that the 225 grn .358 bullet at 2,500 fps.  That's good for 3,100 fpe...I doubt you can find those ballistics with the .358 Win but you COULD with a possible wildcat .358 x 57 Ackley Improved.
 
 

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From: MooslyManSent: 23/10/2005 15:38
Periscope
 
    I don`t see any problem with your idea of
a necked up 8x57 to 35, I`ve monkeyed with
the 6mm and 257 ackly improved, other than
having to fire form case`s and finding that one
perfect load, which can be a time consuming
ordeal. Some rifles show the effort worth the
time, but others do not! you can get about 4
grains of powder add with the ackly`s.I do
understand your thinking though, as I get older
I find the hard kickers less tolerable and my
youthful quest to make that perfect round that
noone has, less important due to my time and
patience has deminished! I know 8x57 brass
is plentiful, but if it was me, I`d just get the
35-284 and eleminate the ackly idea! neck her
up and go shoot! you`d get a better chance of
getting the 2500fps your hoping for! Buts thats
just me!
                                                 Moose

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