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GUN MYTHS : The .357 Mag was the first Magnum pistol cartridge
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From: MSN NicknameGunrockets  (Original Message)Sent: 29/08/2004 22:25
 
   The .357 Magnum with it's 1200 to 1300 fps was the first magnum cartridge with velocities that high.
Nope.
   The .357 was developed in 1935 where as the 7.62 Mauser cartridge that was capable of 1450 fps was developed in 1896. Also the 38 Super was able to hit 1200 and 1300 fps and it was introduced in 1929.  The 7.62 x 25 Tokarev was brought out in 1930 with 1390 fps and even the little .30 Lugar could hit 1220 fps. The .357 may have had the first magnum name for a pistol cartridge but in performance it was an also run.
Sarge


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From: MSN NicknameGunrocketsSent: 29/08/2004 22:26
 
ok sarge, wasnt it called a 357 to differentiate it from 38 specials? and the magnum moniker just a sales device?
 
I have always been told you can shoot .38 specials in a .357 mag. is this true? If so the numbers are misnomers themselves as i cant see an actual bullet that measures .38 of an inch goin down a barrel that is .357 of an inch, the other way maybe,  but not that way. seems to me at the very least it would foul the barrel quickly from the lead being scraped off.

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From: AirForceShooterSent: 05/09/2004 15:20
yep:
you can shoot .38 spl in a .357 with no problem.
And it's cheaper.
 
AFS

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From: DavidSSent: 16/11/2004 05:06
I have a old CZ52  it takes the 7.62 /25
At gun shows I've been told I can shoot any 7.62/25
in it and I do.   When I go to buy the hotter Czech ammo
the ammo dealers allways ask if I'm buying for the Tokarev
saying that it cant or shouldent be loaded with the Czeck
ammo!!   Is the Tokarev  that much weaker of a gun?
cant take the higher pressure?
I can feel a difference when i shoot the different ammos.
At very much the same cost I try ta allways get the Czeck ammo when I can.
Is doing so causing more wear than if i used the ''lighter'' ammo?
Is it less powder or a different powder?
Because I've been told all 7.62 / 25 and as far as my AK-- 7.62/39  has ''crossive''
primmers I allways clean the guns very well   maybe to the point of over cleaning!!
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGreyWolf_ShadowSent: 14/03/2006 01:50
Gunrockets
 
The 357 Magnum and 38 Spl. both actually use a .357 inch bullet. the difference is the shell case and powder charge.
 
Grey Wolf

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From: MSN NicknameOswald_BastableSent: 14/03/2006 04:15
The .357 case is about 1/10th inch longer, to stop it being chambered in a .30 special.
 
The bullets are the same diameter.

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From: mjb_965Sent: 22/07/2006 08:34
The Czech 7.62x25mm ammo is hotter. They have a tendency to make hotter ammo with some more oomph. China also makes hotter ammo along with some other communist bloc countries.

Also, watch out for "sub-gun" ammo. There are SMG's chambered in 7.62x25. If you take SMG ammo and run it through a pistol, you're going to run a bad risk of cracking the slide and the barrel at the least. This is a threat regardless if you're using a Tokarev or a CZ.

You don't have to worry about it with .45 ACP because M1911A1 and Thompson ammo are the same thing. Just make sure that your .45 ammo does not have any ridges or it won't chamber right (definitely true with the Model of 1917 Revolver)

From what I've heard, the hotter and faster the round, the more it wears out your barrel. As they say, the brighter flame burns out quicker. However, I've learned that lead ammo doesn't wear out your firearm nearly as much as jacketed ammo. But, don't fire lead ammo through a gas operated firearm or you could run into the lead crudding up your gas tube from lead flash.

Both pistols are very good imho though the Tokarev is a slightly weaker firearm than the CZ-52. I think it's mainly that the Czechs and other countries load their ammo hotter that it's not good for the tokarev.

Check these articles out.

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/bad.htm
http://www.geocities.com/kirbytheog/bad2.html

Matt

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