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From: MSN NicknameGunrockets  (Original Message)Sent: 12/02/2008 14:54

Academics for 2nd Amend. amicus brief online

Posted by David Hardy · 11 February 2008 03:01 PM

At ScotusBlog.

Very tired. But will add some commentary.

Argument I is a strong attack on DC's argument over what the 2A was meant to do. I think it pretty well levels that.

Argument VI deals with their dismissal of the PA minority and the NH ratifying proposals. They shrug these off, saying that Madison took the VA language, not the text of those proposals, hence they are irrelevant. BUT we show that there is no evidence that anyone at the time thought that Madison's language was meant to differ with those earlier measures, and much evidence that Americans saw his language as guaranteeing the same rights sought by PA & NH.

At 9 n.7 we hit at DC's claim that, well, maybe the First Senate declined to add into the BoR a statement that States could arm the militia, because it was redundant -- that's what the Second Amendment meant, and they already had written that up. We point out a VA Senator who wrote angrily about losing the vote -- he certainly didn't think the matter had been taken care of!

At 11-12 we point that the Framers HAD the equivalent of unorganized militias, but required them to be armed. They were excused from drill and muster, but not from owning arms.

At 13, we give a judo flip to the argument that the preamble must control the operative clause.

At 16 we point out that the Framers were familiar with *friendly* governments seizing arms when needed in an emergency.

At 20, n. 18, we point out that treating the militia as State controlled is not entirely accurate.

At 22-23, we discuss Federalist No. 26, I think with better analysis than is generally employed. It has to be read carefully.

At 30 we cite an interesting event in the First Congress, which I blogged here long ago.

And some preemptive attacks (remember DC gets to file the last, reply, brief and may try to shift ground)

At 11, n. 9 preempts any try in reply to shift on the theory of purpose.

At 18, n. 14 hits at a theory DC amici cited, in a yet unpublished law rev. article, claiming PA's 1776 guarantee was meant to allow a mandatory militia (PA didn't have one).

At 31 we preempt a move DC might make, arguing that "right of the people" is somehow less individualist than a right of "persons."

UPDATE: if anyone wishes to contribute toward the brief, just click here. There's a Paypal link on upper right of page. If you're not a PayPal member, just click at bottom of the Paypal page and you can enter ordinary credit card data.

· Parker v. DC



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From: MSN Nickname444HalSent: 12/02/2008 23:06

Seems to me that this country was founded on the right of the individual. And that "We the People" refers to of group of individuals.

Not like Communism that considers "the people" as a group coming together for the benefit of the group as a whole (read: the governing party).


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From: IowaMilitiaSent: 25/02/2008 07:19
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/230208emergencies.htm



Canada,US agree on Using each others troops in Emergencies


Anyone with half a wit knows the way You take over another country is by introducing foreign troops onto their sovereign soil.

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From: IowaMilitiaSent: 25/02/2008 07:25
con't
Oh and If Our US Government has agreed with Canada out in the open to allow Canadian troops to enforce law on Americans in emergencies? How many other countries under the veil of secretcy has Our government
agreed to allow on US soil to ENFORCE Law onto Americans?
ALL is not just FINE & Dandy in America.
I wish people would quit acting like it is.

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From: IowaMilitiaSent: 25/02/2008 07:29
But I can hear the rants already.
What do we have to FEAR from Canadians troops on American soil helping Us, they are our friends!


That has NOTHING to do with it!
It's UNCONSTITUTIONAL for starters.
I doubt most even know what That means, anymore.

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From: IowaMilitiaSent: 25/02/2008 07:44
Sadly!
Most Americans are not taught about the Civil War and Abraham Lincoln correctly and historically.

And the fact that the united states of America(The Constitutional Republic) became a Democracy(US INC.)
via Abraham Lincolns War powers act that commissioned 3 officers appointed by him to run the Government which became not of the people but of the Banks). Which is still in affect Today and makes the President(Caesar).
The illusion prevails for most Americans who believe that they actually elect representives to Congress and the Senate.

"the illusions of freedom will come to a day when the owners take down all the tapersty and frilly curtains that expose the brick wall erected behind the curtain on the stage."

"Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain"

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From: MSN Nicknamellamamax145Sent: 25/02/2008 16:28
just FYI, the United States of America was never a "democracy," we have always been a Democratic Republic.  It's even in the Pledge of Alegiance "...and to the Republic, for which it stands."

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