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GUN REVIEWS : KIMBER: THE 5 POUND DEER GUN
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From: MSN NicknameGunrockets  (Original Message)Sent: 10/10/2004 01:21
 The 5-Pound Deer Gun
This is the lightest Kimber ever--and maybe the best.
by David E. Petzal

Normally, my expression is that of an IRS auditor who has found someone who diddled the government out of $37.50. But last summer I was smiling because I got to try two rifles that are just plain wonderful. One is the Tikka T3, which I reviewed in the November 2003 issue, and the other is the Kimber 84M Montana.

Kimber has traveled a rocky road. The original business was called Kimber of Oregon, which operated from 1980 to 1991. It produced beautiful but flawed rifles that were plagued by malfunctions and lack of accuracy. In 1997, a new company called Kimber Mfg. Inc. was started in the scenic city of Yonkers, New York, by entirely different management, and there is nothing flawed about what they’re building.

The new Kimber is based out of what has been described as the most modern firearms plant in the world, and benefits from the talents of a gifted Israeli gun designer named Nehemia Sirkis. In its second incarnation, its firearms have proved to be very, very accurate. Kimber chose to first produce Government Model 1911–style .45 automatic pistols, and those have been a raging success. In 1999, a series of Mauser-actioned .22 rimfire rifles joined the line, and a year later the Mauser-actioned Model 84M centerfire debuted.

BEYOND LIGHTWEIGHT
In the past, all Kimber rifles were stocked in claro walnut and checkered by hand, with quite traditional looks. The 84M Montana, however, is a radical departure. Kimber wanted a Kevlar stock for the gun, it being the lightest and strongest of all stock materials. So the company hired Melvin Forbes of New Ultra Light Arms, who was the first to develop a Kevlar stock, to show it how to make one. The resulting rifle weighs 5 pounds with Leupold scope bases attached, which means it weighs 4 pounds 14 ounces by itself. Friends, you do not want a centerfire rifle any lighter than that. All stainless steel, the Montana comes with Kimber’s very high quality 22-inch button-rifled barrel, an excellent trigger, and a tasteful paint job in Institutional Gray. It’s chambered for the .243, .260, 7mm/08, and .308.

SOME CAVEATS
Like the Tikka, this is a nearly perfect rifle (nearly because it’s right-hand only). Even at my pickiest, I can’t come up with anything that the gun lacks, or that Kimber should have done differently. The Montana I tried out (a .308) shot only average groups of 11/2 to 13/4 inches with ammo it didn’t like, but an inch or much less with what it did.

Rifles this light are difficult to shoot accurately. Every little tic and twitch in your quivering body will be transmitted to the crosshairs, and unless you can hold a rifle steady, you had best resign yourself to missing a fair amount. Light rifles also kick. The 84M Montana will not kill you by any means, but it does provide a noticeable jolt. Then there is its availability: In the immediate future, Kimber will probably not be able to meet demand because the stocks are made by hand, and it is slow, highly skilled work. At press time, the company is back-ordered well into late 2004. And it is not cheap. Suggested retail is $1,053. But this is a truly fine little rifle. I know of others that are its equal, but they cost two to three times as much. And that makes the Kimber 84M Montana a bargain.

MANY THANKS TO: FIELD & STREAM, THE WORLDS LEADING OUTDOOR MAGAZINE.



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From: ol_hounddogSent: 14/01/2007 22:41
I would like to bounce some kimber results off you..  first I am a hunter not a targer shooter in quality..  I can print 3 shot groups of 3/4 to 7/8 inch all day with my stock weatherby 257.  and the other day I had a blast with my CZ 17 HMR. printing 1/2 inch groups..  but most my guns shoot from 1 inch to 1 1/2 with most ammo..  none are picky with ammo to the point where they don't shoot 1 1/2..  I use all leupold scopes and quality bases..  I bought a 308 kimber montana and put s & k rings on if for light weight and a vari x lll 2 1/2 x 8 leupold.  topped out it weighte right at 6 # 1 oz..  my kimber started at 5 # 2 oz..  I planned on shooting 165 grain in premium bullets like scirocco, x bullets etc..  but the gun would not digest any of them..  groups ranged from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 inches three shot at 100 yds..  I buckeled down and bought more ammo and included 150 grain accu bond, 150 balistic tip and speer grand slam 150..  it tightened up to 1 1/4 on the grand slam and about 2 inch groups with the others.  not exactly exciting at this point..  I asked my hunting partner to shoot and basically matched the same results, although our group size varied slightly the gun would still shoot 3 inch + groups with the heavier bullets and the only acceptable accuracy came from the spheer 150 gr.  called kimber and got advice..  I dismounted my scope and mounted another scope 4 1/2 x 14 and repeated with the same results, checked for free float on the barrel and as per kimber, removed the bolt and disassembled and cleaned and removed the action and checked the mounting and retorque to 55 #.  just took it out again and today I only shoot the 165 scirocco and 150 scirocco and 150 grand slam..  the 165 scirocco.  3 inch 3 shot group..  the 150 scirocco 2 inch groups.  the 150 grand slam was about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2.  that being the only acceptable accuracy out of well over a 125 bucks of ammo trying to find something it digests.  I am more than a little dissapointed with the accuracy of picky ness of this gun..  Kimber says that it should not be doing this and to send it back, they have been helpful but the hassel of interstate shipping has me looking for advice.  I have noticed a strange thing with the bolt of the gun.  in a empty gun the bolt flops and wags in the action to the point of rattling with the slightest rolling of the gun.  with a cartridge loaded you have to be a little more forcefull but rolling your gun left and right (side to side) still produces a clack clack as the bolt flips around in the action..  no other gun I own, winchester 70, remington 700, cz 452, weatherby mk 5 have any movement at all, you can barely get a shift in the bolt from the handle with round chambered..  I went to the local gun store and looked at another kimber montana  84 and the bolt was loose but not as loose as mine??  then I checked a kimber 8400 in blue steel rather than the stainless in a classic, the bolt was not rock solid but could not get it to shift around simply wagging the gun??  not being a gun officianoto..  I don't really understand the mauser style bolts and how they should behave, but the old pre 64 win.  doesn't move and the other kimbers were either tighter or solid..  could this have been my problem, but then why the variance with the ammo??   anyway I decided to ask about a trade and was given a very good offer on the montana and took home a 8400 win short mag 270 that hasn't been shot yet.  Hoping that I had a bad gun rather than a model issue.  the bolt is solid in the action with no round chambered..  could there be something to the stainless actions being milled with different equiptment, for with a very limited selection of kimbers viewed the stainless were noticably looser than any of the blued steel guns, or just a concidence??  thank you for any insite you have on what was occuring..  ol hounddog  and sorry for the many mispellings, no spell check on this editor and I am not good at spelling.  lol

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