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From: Aprilborn  in response to Message 1Sent: 1/11/2004 10:57 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTheOldGeek1</NOBR> Sent: 12/18/2003 8:43 PM
cath,
 
it's not the words we have to keep, it's the logic that binds the words into our hearts.
 
The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
 
Let see what we can do with this one.
 
The Religion is made for man, and not man for the Religion.
The Economy is made for man, and not man for the Economy.
The Constitution is made for man, and not man for the Constitution.
The Marriage institution is made for man, and not man for the Marriage institution.
The Country is made for the man, and not man for the Country.
The Globalisation is made for man, and not man for the Globalization.
The Sciences are made for man, and not man for the Sciences.
The Capital is made for man, and not man for the Capital.
The Liberalism is made for man, and not man for the Liberalism.
The Conservatism is made for man, and not man for the Conservatism.

Did Jesus Christ keep the Sabbath ? The answer is yes.

There is the Kingdom of God in which we are all spiritual brothers and sisters. In this Kingdom the time of laboring as nothing to do with the reward we receive. The good and bad seeds are let grown together until they bear fruits and then are separated. Only then there can be a definitive judgement because only good seeds would bear good fruits, there is no preemptive uprooting of bad weeds because a good weed can be uprooted by error.

There is the Kingdom of men where we can make commandments and rules and laws as to make this temporal passage with the least inconveniences for the most of us. Our bodies are frail compare what we can long for. Our minds are very limited compare to the infinities we can conceive. We have to be humble enough to recongnize that our knowledge of what's good and what's best is limited. We can't predict much. Our capacity to express what should be God's will is infinitely smaller than what  is truely God's Will. So when we live by a rule like "You must rest on the Sabbath", even if it is generally a "good thing", we must admit that it is not universaly true and must admit numerous exception then therefore is made for man so cannot be the kind of God's law that say "the sun must shine on the just as the unjust".


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameCatherine-----------</NOBR> Sent: 12/19/2003 3:40 AM

Geek, I agree with some of what you are saying... but for me the Old Covenant God made with Israel, tells a story.

Israel was not chosen because they were better then any other nation, but because of Abraham being faithful to God and trusting in God. Abraham lived in the land of Ur. God called "Abram" out of that land...which he didn’t argue about, but went.

As people created more and more idols/gods for themselves and got further and further away from the one God (God is Spirit and not made out of clay) God chose Abraham to reconcile mankind.

The bible starts with telling the story of Adam and Eve (mankind) who had rejected God ect...now you can say this is all made up for the reason of some nation to have power over another nation and you have got a good point, for religion certainly seems to be used that way, but was it that way with Abraham....? Did "Abraham" have an agenda ? (You could ask...Is Abraham real...?)

People certainly departed quickly from worshipping the one God, for the history of Israel is full of it.

For example....

"And The Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live." (Numbers 21:4-9 RSV)

Centuries Later, The Bronze Serpent Was Destroyed Because The Israelites Had Turned It Into An Idol

"In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah, king of Israel, Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah , began to reign. He was twenty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah."

"And he did what was right in the eyes of The Lord, according to all that David his father had done. He removed the high places, and broke the pillars, and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had burned incense to it; it was called Nehushtan."

"He trusted in The Lord the God of Israel; so that there was none like him among all the kings of Judah after him, nor among those who were before him. For he held fast to The Lord; he did not depart from following Him, but kept the Commandments which The Lord commanded Moses." (2 Kings 18:1-6 RSV)

 

BTW I got the flood article from that site...looks like a good one.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030818.htm