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General : Did Anyone Watch the 30 Minute Ad of Obama's?
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From: MSN NicknameKyKarenSue  (Original Message)Sent: 10/30/2008 3:21 PM
Did anyone here watch the 30 minute ad of Obama's that was on every network and a couple of other channels last night?  I did and it was very good.  I'd bet that the only people that did watch it are people who are already going to vote for him.....and the people who are going to vote for McCain or someone else probably deliberately didn't watch it.
 
Did you watch it and if so, what did you think, and if not, why?


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From: MSN Nicknametrickoftheflame4Sent: 10/30/2008 3:22 PM
ghost hunters was on so i felt no need, i know who i am voting for.  jerry

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From: MSN NicknameKyKarenSueSent: 10/30/2008 4:01 PM
At the end of the ad, there was a live shot of the rally Obama was speaking at in Florida.  After that rally he went to another with Former President Clinton which drew another 35,000.  Impressive, to have that many people come out that late at night.
 
 
 

KISSIMMEE -- Former President Bill Clinton stumped alongside Democratic nominee Barack Obama for the first time this campaign season in a late night outdoor rally that attracted more than 35,000 supporters.

Taking jabs at Republican nominee John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as a vice presidential pick and denouncing the last eight years of President Bush's administration, Clinton echoed the rallying cries for ''change'' that have been a trademark of the Obama campaign.

''Folks, we can't fool with this,'' Clinton told the boisterous crowd that braved the chilly conditions at Osceola Heritage Park. ``Our country is hanging in the balance, and we have so much promise and so much peril. This man should be our president.''

Clinton's pitch to voters, whom he described as ''teetering'' between the two candidates, comes at a crucial time at a crucial place for both campaigns. With five days left until the election, both candidates and their high profile surrogates have been crisscrossing the swing state trying to shore votes to declare Florida for their camp.

''I worked hard to bring you back into the Democratic fold,'' Clinton told the crowd, referring to his 1992 and 1996 victories. ``It`s time to come back again so we can move America forward.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/748029.html


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From: MSN Nicknamexgunny®Sent: 10/30/2008 4:29 PM
I didn't see it, it would have been too late here. Maybe CNN will replay it. Or maybe it'll show up somewhere on the net.

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From: MSN NicknameLukeFromTXSent: 10/30/2008 5:02 PM
 
I'll be honest, I missed the show entirely.  I had other commitments that kept me away from home.  And I am just to electronically illiterate to figure out how to program the VCR.  So, the only things I have to go on are the opinions of others.  And finding anyone who is truly objective is nearly impossible.  Everyone I know personally as well as the various news outlets are biased one way or the other.  However, my suspicion is that there was little if anything that was truly new or revolutionary on the show.  But if anyone can offer something that he said that was truly newsworthy one way or the other, please let me know.  And if someone should happen to rerun it in its entirty, I may try and catch it.
 

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From: MSN NicknameTreborPynSent: 10/30/2008 5:35 PM
I voted early yesterday and watched Obama's spot last night.

i feel good about my vote and i actually have hope that this is the president who can bring this country together and face our problems united rather than divided.

i dont think he mentioned the McCain/ Palin ticket....

it was a positive message with no mud slinging

even if Obama loses, i will continue to consider him a man of integrity that took politics to a new and better level. he has raised the bar as to what we should expect form those who represent us and our country.

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 10/30/2008 5:39 PM
i feel good about my vote and i actually have hope that this is the president who can bring this country together and face our problems united rather than divided.
 I don't see that happening..... this country is far too divided right now....... Obama has far to much explaining to do to have conservatives feeling all warm and fuzzy should he be elected........I believe it will further divide us no matter who is elected......I hope I am wrong, but I really don't think I am

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From: MSN Nicknametrickoftheflame4Sent: 10/30/2008 5:39 PM
what has he said that noone already knows trebor, and how do you know hes honorable and a man of integrity because he says so.  i once thought the way you do, ill tell ya what changed me, y6ou may recall that long before anyone mentioned obama i started a thread in ep about him running, he wasnt even running yet.  what changed me was the way he constantly changed himself, now i dont miknd seeing someone in shape i do however mind watching a man shape himself, frankly i dont know who he is at all, and noone else does either.  deception is what i see.  jerry

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From: MSN NicknameKyKarenSueSent: 10/30/2008 5:46 PM
Lying again Jerry?  How has Obama changed?  What are these changes and deceptions you are talking about? 
 
I made a prediction a long time ago on another political board........
 
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameKyKarenSue</NOBR> Sent: 7/27/2004 10:27 PM
I just watched him speak, I believe I may have been watching the first black president of the US.   Only time will tell.
 
That was the night of the DNC in 2004.  I still believe what I said then.

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From: MSN Nicknametrickoftheflame4Sent: 10/30/2008 5:52 PM
ive no doubt you do, but i dont believe him.  jerry

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From: MSN Nicknamexgunny®Sent: 10/30/2008 5:53 PM

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From: MSN NicknameTheJollyTrollSent: 10/30/2008 6:24 PM
I watched it in a "Liberal" setting and everyone in the choir sang along and said amen's.

That wasn't whom the ad was directed to, so given my American Pop Challenged IQ, I will have to wait to see how Joe and Sue Public responded.

It was a very well done Obamamercial and hit all the bases. He did allot to get people to identify with him especially the Regan Democrats and the Murray Republicans and they are the only ones that count right now. What most impressed me was that he avoided the "Groovy" democrat image in favour of a hard working family man persona. I think it will go over well, but we will have to wait and see.

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From: NoseroseSent: 10/30/2008 6:34 PM
I didn't see it but I think I will vote for him anyway.

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From: shiftless2Sent: 10/30/2008 6:46 PM
I know it sold well to the converted but I woke up to find this as the headline of the first newsite I went to:
 
 
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are—beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years—and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals—the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more—cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged—although not in his commercial—that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

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THE SPIN: "We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we're going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad that we've got to look at bringing that war to a close." These lines in the ad were taken from a debate with McCain.

THE FACTS: Obama was once and very often definitive about getting combat troops out in 16 months (At times during the primaries, he promised to do so within a year). More recently, without backing away explicitly from the 16-month withdrawal pledge, he has talked of the need for flexibility. In the primaries, it would have been a jarring departure for him to have said merely that "we've got to look at" ending the war. As for Iraq's surplus, it's true that Iraq could end up with a surplus that large, but that hasn't happened yet.

One significant observation - he's already scaled back his claim of cutting taxes for people making less than $250K to people making less than $200K (and Biden said $150K) but even that's not true.

He's gone on record as saying that he'll let the Bush tax cuts expire which will see everyone's taxes go up, not just the "rich".  While he's insistent that this is not an "increase" people will still pay more.

And he want to increase Social Security taxes for everyone (early days he said that the increase wouldn't apply to people making between $100K and $250 K but he's dropped that "donut" from his public statements)


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From: MSN Nicknamexgunny®Sent: 10/30/2008 8:18 PM
Trebor,
i dont think he mentioned the McCain/ Palin ticket....
   I just watched the tape. That was one of the things I liked most. No mud slinging , just him saying what he thought and what he would do. You either believe him or you don't and everyone should vote accordingly.

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From: harrietb98Sent: 11/1/2008 9:16 PM
I watched it.  I thought that it was great.

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