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General : Priests to face "sex drive tests"?
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 10/31/2008 2:51 PM

Priests to face 'sex drive tests'

 

The Roman Catholic Church has issued guidance for future priests to have psychological tests to weed out those unable to control their sexual urges.

 A senior churchman said a series of sex scandals had contributed to the rewriting of the guidelines.

The authors said screening would help avoid "tragic situations" caused by what they termed psychological defects.

The guidance says the voluntary tests should also aim to vet for those with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies".

Among other traits that might make a candidate unsuitable for the priesthood, the advice lists "uncertain sexual identity," "excessive rigidity of character" and "strong affective dependencies".

The document also makes reference to heterosexual urges.

Seminarians should be barred if testing makes it "evident the candidate has difficulty living in celibacy: That is, if celibacy for him is lived as a burden so heavy that it compromises his affective and relational equilibrium", it says.

 

The advice stipulates priests must have a "positive and stable sense of one's masculine identity".

The document, approved by Pope Benedict XVI and made public on Thursday, stresses that the screening must always have the candidate's consent.

The Catholic Church has been rocked by a series of sex scandals in recent years involving paedophile priests, notably in the US, Latin America and Europe, triggering lawsuits that have cost hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements.

And a seminary in Austria was shut down in August 2004 after revelations that students openly indulged in homosexual conduct.

Gay rights groups have accused the Church of using homosexuals as scapegoats for abuse scandals.

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP), a US-based group of victims of sexual abuse, said the revised guidelines did not go far enough.

"Catholic officials continue to fixate on the offenders and ignore the larger problem: The Church's virtually unchanged culture of secrecy and unchecked power in the hierarchy," it said in a statement.

"These broader factors are deeply rooted in the Church and contribute heavily to extensive and ongoing clergy sex abuse and cover up."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7700710.stm

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{ There is no doubt the Catholic church has been rocked by years of sexual abuse of members of the church by priests and the cover up of these activities by higher ranked clergy. This new degree however seems aimed solely at priests that engage in homosexual sex and not sexual abuse in general. Paedophilia is not synonymous with homosexuality and males are not the only victims of these abuses. It seems too little to late and looks like a band-aide over a severed artery. Screening of those who wish to join the priesthood is important but sagging interested in the vocation and a shortage of priests all over the Catholic world might cause them to turn a blind eye to their own rules and regulations. Until the Church deals with the whole issue of human sexuality and stops burying it's head in the sand the problems are likely to increase rather than decrease.

One obvious answer is to allow married people to become priests. Celibacy is not a natural state for human beings and to force them into it can backfire as we so often see. You can't just turn off instincts like a water tap. To the best of my knowledge the celibacy obligation for Catholic priests is not dogma ......but custom. Customs can be changed. In many cases custom should be changed. This is a good example.

What do you think?}



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From: MSN Nicknametrickoftheflame4Sent: 10/31/2008 3:17 PM
well i agree and have for sometime, priests should be able to marry, celebacy should be a matter of choice, not a prerequisite for priesthood.  hell catholics practice birth control, have formed lay organizations, dont necessarily adhere to romes edicts, whats the point of antisex for priests or nuns, it serves no logical purpose.  jerry

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 10/31/2008 3:21 PM
I think that anything to rid the Roman Catholic Church of homo's, pedophiles, and other assorted perverts is a good thing... and maybe the reason the Catholics are not getting people into the clergy is that the belief system of the Catholics does not appeal to those that are Bible believing Christians.......After all... I am no Catholic, but some of the tradituions and beliefs they hold are not Biblical....... example......people has not had to go through a priest for forgivness since Jesus died on the cross.... and to my knowledge no other denomination requires "payment" for absolution of sin........

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From: MSN Nicknametrickoftheflame4Sent: 10/31/2008 3:24 PM
well rb that was all the rage, that is before bingo nights came along.  jerry

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From: MSN NicknameLukeFromTXSent: 10/31/2008 4:56 PM
Celibacy is not a natural state for human beings....
I'll buy that statement at face value. The braoder question becomes whether monogamy is a natural state for human beings.  But then that is a different question for another discussion.
 
To the best of my knowledge the celibacy obligation for Catholic priests is not dogma ......but custom.
Actually the issue of a celibate clergy is more than simple custom in the Roman rite of the Church.  It has been a part of Church Canon since the 11th Century, and has been modified to one degree or other by various Churchwide Councils since that time.  The most recent significant change coming when Vatican II allowed for the ordination of married Deacons.  However, it did not address the celibacy requirement for priests and bishops.  Furthermore the history of a celibate clergy in the Catholic Church is truly mixed, indeed confused, particularly up to the 11th and 12th century.  And even today while it is apart of church canon, there is no true uniformity in the celibacy requirement within the Roman Catholic Church, most particularly within the 22 semi-autonomous eastern rite churches (Maronite, Melkite, etc) that are in fact in full communion with Rome and are thus a part of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
Up to the Great Schism in 1054, the conflict in the issue was largely an East-West struggle, with the eastern churches allowing ordination of married clergy, and was one of the multitude of reasons (albeit one of the minor reasons) why the ultimate split took place between the Roman Church and the Orthodox.  Today the Orthodox Church will ordain deacons and priests who were already married at the time of ordination.  However, those individuals cannot become bishops, and will not be allowed to marry following ordination.
 
Within the Roaman Catholic Church you will find occasional married clergy.  As I indicated earlier the 22 Eastern Rite bodies follow the litergy, theology and many of the practices of the eastern Orthodox Church.  This includes the allowance for ordination of married deacons and priests.  But does not allow for married bishops, or members of religious communities (monastaries). 
 
The Roman Catholic Church also allows for special dispensations for married Protestant Clergy (most generally Anglican) who convert and seek ordination in the Roman Church.  And there are other isolated cases of dispensation.  However these are exceedingly rare.

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From: NoseroseSent: 10/31/2008 5:04 PM
Rb: What "payment" are you taking about that is required for the absolution of sin? What makes you think your "Bible believing  Christians "are more Christian than Catholics are? Who all is on your list of "assorted perverts"? What are your bibical "traditions and beliefs"?

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 10/31/2008 5:15 PM
As I said Rose I am not a Catholic.... having said that....here we go
 
From: Noserose Sent: 10/31/2008 12:04 PM
Rb: What "payment" are you taking about that is required for the absolution of sin? Is it the custom of the Catholic Church to at times require those that have gone to confession to pay a wee bit and say so many Hail Mary's and the Rosery? Not long ago I read where one of the Popes.... a long ago fellow as I recall, made a statement that went something like "When the coin in the coiffer rings another soul from purgatory springs" or something like that so what is the deal with paying cash to be forgiven of sin? That is what I am refering to What makes you think your "Bible believing  Christians "are more Christian than Catholics are? Never said we were  Who all is on your list of "assorted perverts"? I believe we covered that in the above post...homo's, pediphiles child molesters of all makes and models..... What are your bibical "traditions and beliefs"? Again I gave you an example.....going to a priest to be given forgiveness of sin... that all stopped when Jesus died on the cross and the curtain covering the Holy of Holies was torn in two.... no longer was man required to go to preists and make sacrifices in order to be given forgivemness...... all one need to do is ask GOD yourself......

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From: NoseroseSent: 10/31/2008 6:52 PM
Catholics don't pay anything for going to confession. At least not when I was a practising one. Any Catholic who asks God to forgive him is forgiven if the request is sincere. In my book anyone who thinks homosexuals are "perverts" are not true Christians. I don't believe Christ would call them that and I don't think his teachings are compatible with that sort of bigotry.
 
Far too many people use the Bible as a club to beat people they don't like with. The Bible is simply a book.

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From: MSN NicknameClicker-Sent: 10/31/2008 7:02 PM
why don't the Catholics just include a group prayer every week in their Sunday sermons praying that God will take away Catholic Priests desires to molest children?

Surely God won't deny all of his faithfuls' prayers if they all ask him nicely regularly?

I mean, I know God has a plan for all of us, but surely if all catholics kept asking him to kindly make his Priests stop wanting to molest children, then He might be able to modify his plan just a tad ... you know... so that children stop getting molested.

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From: MSN Nicknameyakker2Sent: 10/31/2008 9:00 PM
You were never asked to pay anything? exactly how old were you  when you quit the Church? I bet you were still a child....... I will ask a practising Catholic if this was ever the case...and I am not impying that it occured every confession, it is my understanding that it did/does happen sometimes.........

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From: NoseroseSent: 10/31/2008 10:08 PM
I was a Catholic for around 18 years and I'm now 34. I never have heard a word about paying for confession. Sure the church once sold tickets to ride to heaven but that was hundreds of years ago.

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