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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTx  (Original Message)Sent: 11/16/2008 2:33 AM
Just so I'm not getting the thread "Recession Time" off subject I would like to make a couple of points about someting you said in that thread.
 
Knightly said
the idea is to deny blacks and hispanics credit so that they wouldn't compete against whites.
 
You're kind of right in that it is discrimination but it's not about  the individual although it affects individuals. Redlining is when a bank or insurance Co. ect ect draws a red line on a map around certain districts and raise ratres or denies loans or services based on the performance history in those districts. Usaually low income districts and as would be the case in low income disricts late payments and defaults on payments is probably higher than in a middle class districts. It has nothing to do with trying to stop blacks or hispanics from getting loans so whites can get them. Most whites would not try to buy property in the those districs.
 
Question; if you live in a high crime area why shouldn't your insurance rates be higher than someone that lives in a low crime area?
 
Now that would not apply to loans in my mind. The question there should be if you have good credit and a good enough job why should you pay higher rates because where you live?
 
And if you have bad credit and are out of work why would anybody lend you anything?
 
So I do see where in some circumstances redlining would be the correct thing to do.
Bob
 


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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 4:57 AM
why did you say that?

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 5:14 AM
Because no one could possibly be as stupid without pretense.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 5:23 AM
there you go again with empty words.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 6:01 AM
there you go again with empty words
 
Your the idiot who promised to prove my opinions insane, Knightly.
 
 
Just shove it up your ass, like I said before.  You ARE A MORON.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 6:22 AM
i did.  you weren't paying attention.  you are the one that started this feud.  i don't start fights but i don't run away from them either.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 6:37 AM
Knightly-
I doubt other Liberals are fond of you.  You are simply a lying sack of shit.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 6:40 AM
point out the lies.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 6:41 AM
I won't waste my time reposting your bullshit.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 6:51 AM
your noise doesn't bother me.  you are just a gnat to me.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 6:57 AM
Obviously no one's "noise" bother's you.
 
You just repeat the voice in your head.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 7:26 AM
driver,  its been fun sparing with you tonight.  i wonder if both of us would get ban.  but in case i don't hear from you again to night,  pleasant dreams may you have.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/16/2008 7:30 AM
Getting banned.....?    because of our little  conversation.....?   
 
If they banned us for that, next they'll ban people in favor of the Second Amedment.
 
 
Sleep well, Knightly!

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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 11/16/2008 4:07 PM
billionare who lived in a community that was redline wouldn't be able to get a loan
 
Why would a billionaire need a loan?
 
it is difficult to always tell if redlining is done for sound economic reasons  or to give one group an advantage over another.
 
You obviously don't have a clue what redlining is.
 
there is a Unbank near me that does make pay day loans.  if they are trustworthy enough for Unbanks,  they should be trustworthy enough for lower interest loans.  and pawn shops do enough business where i live.
 
So called banks that make payday loans pray upon the disavanaged and are nothing more than a loan shark with a neon sign. Pawn shops are not much better.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 4:20 PM
 
bob,  i read this link several times.  have you?
 
The federal government contributed to the early decay of inner city neighborhoods by withholding mortgage capital and making it difficult for these neighborhoods to attract and retain families able to purchase homes.
 
Since blacks were unwelcome in white neighborhoods, which frequently instituted racial restrictive covenants to keep them out, the policy effectively meant that blacks could not secure mortgage loans at all.
 
Redlining paralyzed the housing market, lowered property values and further encouraged landlord abandonment. As abandonment increased, the population density became lower. Abandoned buildings would serve as havens for drug dealing and other illegal activity.
 
and you say i know nothing about redlining.
 
as to why would billionares borrow money.  a billion isn't much these days.  and it is smarter to risk other's moneys than your own.  and sometimes interest rates are way low.   you should have asked why would a billionare live in a neighborhood that was redline.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 11/16/2008 4:40 PM
and:  The lenders had to consider FHA standards if they wanted to receive FHA insurance for their loans. FHA appraisal manuals instructed banks to steer clear of areas with "inharmonious racial groups" and recommended that municipalities enact racially restrictive zoning ordinances, as well as covenants prohibiting black owners.[9][10]
 
it is one thing for a bank from a different neighborhood not to make loans.  but it is something else when a bank won't loan to resisdents of the neighborhood they are in.  it isn't the bank's money,  it is the depositers money.  i wouldn't do business with a bank that wouldn't loan me money because i live in the same neighborhood they are in.

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