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| | From:  cathymv722 (Original Message) | Sent: 11/16/2008 11:21 PM |
It really didnt take long at all.... israel is now being openly threatened with war.... and pres elect obama proposing splitting jeruselem (words he said were misconstrued when he said it months ago)... and now it seems as if the threats against israel are escalating .... Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas sent a letter to PA Arabs on Saturday saying Israel must retreat to its 1949 borders or face war. “The passage of years... will not force us to abandon or surrender a single inch,�?of Judea, Samaria or Jerusalem, Abbas said in the letter, which was published by PA media so what they are saying is that giving up gaza and the other territories... having their own territory... is now not sufficient as they said it would be... now that they have their own territory to rule.. they want more... who didn't see this coming... If there is a war started agaisntg israel...under president obama... will obama turn his back on israel? see ya cathy :) |
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| | | From: xgunny® | Sent: 11/17/2008 6:40 AM |
Just more rightwing drivel from a blogger with absolutely no credibility. Shame on you Cathy! The usual fear mongering prior to upcoming Isreali election for PM, along with the fear within the US Zionist community that there might be a new push for peace in the ME. |
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just more left wing passivism and head in the sand mentality.. shame on you xgunny.... I didn't write the letter... abbas did... I am just bringing this here to discuss it... but as usual... the liberal left would sit back and watch a country be attacked and wring its hands in worry while making the aggressors into the victims and negotiate lives away... as long as its not their own... seen it before.. and i'm seeing it again... lets hope there is a new push for peace in the middle east.. but when you see things like this... and hear threats like this... again and again... and read about the constant missle attacks into israel... i'm kinda sceptical... and not one to hid her head in the sand and hope it all goes away so that you dn't have to deal with it... have fun hiding.... and while your head is in the sand.. you won't have to hear bad news about terrorists threating a country... so you should be all happy and warm inside... see ya cathy :) |
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| | | From: xgunny® | Sent: 11/17/2008 2:12 PM |
As I said Cathy, fear mongering from a right wing Zionist blogger. No respectable paper in Israel would go near that because it misrepresented what Abbas actually said. What Abbas basically called for was, carrying out the Oslo accords, as the rest of the world is calling for. Here is the letter to the Palestinian people, from Abbas: President Abbas' Independence Day letter: Israel, return to '67 borders or war
Ramallah - Ma'an - President Mahmoud Abbas called on Israel to withdraw to the borders of June 1967 as a condition for mutual security and peace in the name of Palestinian independence, declared twenty years ago Saturday. Abbas sent a letter from his office in Ramallah to the Palestinian people saying that on this anniversary, if Israel wants peace they simply have to return withdraw to the borders established in June 1967 and return the West Bank lands to their rightful owners. The only alternative to this solution, the letter said, is war. “The passage of years and decades of occupation over our land will not force us to abandon or surrender a single inch but will make us keen on building our Palestinian state and obtaining our right to an independent state.�? The president indicated that meetings and negotiations were being held with Israel so that a comprehensive peace on Palestinian terms might be achieved. How can any interpret that as a call to war? I see it as a call for peace. The last paragraph is what has the right wing Zionists climbing the walls. Cathy, did you actually read the letter or did you just take the blogger's word for what it said? |
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How can any interpret that as a call to war? The only alternative to this solution, the letter said, is war. ummm that pretty much covers it... if israel doesn't do what abbas and the arabs want... the ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO THIS SOLUTION IS WAR..... yeah... do as I say or we kill you... thats just absolutely peaceful... but I understand your committment to making terrorists seem mainstream and peaceful... even when their words and actions tell you otherwise... of course... if and when these words come to fruition.. I fully expect you and your ilk to defend anyone but israel...... no matter what israel does.. no matter what peaceful overtures given... the palistinians and the other pan arabic countries will not support israel as a country and will continually call for its demise... but hey, i am a fear monger.... not the arabs calling for the distruction of israel and the slaughter of its people... and the rape of their women... nope.. its me whos saying bad things... gotcha... see ya cathy :) |
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| | | From: xgunny® | Sent: 11/17/2008 5:18 PM |
but I understand your committment to making terrorists seem mainstream and peaceful... I don't think I'll be inviting you to my next birthday party. So now Abbas is a terrorist? Tell me Cathy, are you ok with the continued illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and the subjugation of it's people? Are you really that worried that Obama might try to re-start the peace process? You do realize that, that is what that blog is all about don't you? |
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so i see the idiots that hate israel believe that if israel is destroyed our problems will have abated, tsk tsk, you make a sound case for abortion. jerry |
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lol.. gunny... oh way too funny... you are upset at the subjugation of the palistinian people... bwahahha.. whew.. thanks for the giggles... the pa has subjugated its people more than anyone in the world... they have abused their own people, outcast their own people, used their own people as human shields, used their own people as walking bombs, used their own people as target practice... their own people live in abhorant poverty while the leaders live in palaces hiding away billions of dollars of the peoples money ... given to them by the US... ... their own people lived in tent cities.... the PA did nothing to help them.. the PA kept their own people down to prop up themselves..... and obama restarting the peace process... please... as if the PA wants peace with israel... they could have had it decades ago...but the pa chose not to... and lets not kid ourselves about the arab brothers fighting for the palistinians... not one arab country absorbed the palistinians... nope.. these brotherly countries kept the people in tent cities.. helped keep them poor.. helped load their kids wiht bombs.... the palistinian people are subjugated by their own leaders... no one else.. and they have done nothing over the decades to free themsleves from their subjugation.... but please..do your terrorist masters a good turn.. in your next post to me, please blame it all on israel... because you know you do.. and for good measure.. blame the rest on Bush!! you get the daily double for blame... see ya cathy :) |
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Cathy, israel is now being openly threatened with war.... and pres elect obama proposing splitting jeruselem (words he said were misconstrued when he said it months ago)... and now it seems as if the threats against israel are escalating .... IMO, the IDF will take 'significant' action before Bush leaves office, and early enough that he also has no option except to respond. That way Israel and the US are fully up to speed before our inexperienced President Elect takes over. Just my opinion. Curm |
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| | From: xgunny® | Sent: 11/18/2008 5:58 PM |
thanks for the giggles Glad I could bring a little sunshine into your life Cathy, I realize these are dark days for you. but please..do your terrorist masters a good turn.. in your next post to me, please blame it all on israel... because you know you do.. and for good measure.. blame the rest on Bush!! you get the daily double for blame... My terrorist masters? Jesus, woman, you've gone off the deep end! I won't bother refuting any of that propaganda from #16, you don't believe most of it yourself. And it may come as a surprise to you that I don't "blame it all on Israel". I blame most of it on the factions in Israel that are against a peaceful two state solution. These include the Likud party and the lunatic settler movement. Just as culpable are people such as yourself who either through ignorance or malevolence try to gloss over the daily injustices inflicted on a captive people. There are factions within the Palestinians such as, but not limited to Hamas, who wish to destroy Israel. And the policies of Israel over the last eight years have strengthened Hamas, rather than the PA. But the vast majority of Palestinians are just like everyone else. They just want to get on with their lives. Were it not for the nutters in the US, Israel and the Palestinians would have made peace with each other long ago! There, maybe you can have another giggle, like I said, I realize these are dark days for people like you. |
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| | | From: xgunny® | Sent: 11/18/2008 6:08 PM |
IMO, the IDF will take 'significant' action before Bush leaves office, and early enough that he also has no option except to respond. Curm, There could be more to that than you think. Over on another board dedicated to all things concerning Israel (Israel Place) there is a lot of complaining that Bush has not kept his word to Olmert. According to some there, Bush had secretely promised to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities before he left office. |
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Cathy, I've got an idea. Why don't you send all the personal money that you want to aid Isreal. Then you can send your kids over there to join the IDF. I just want the Zionists out of my pocket and to leave my kids out of their mad schemes. Too bad the unAmerican politicians and movers and shakers in AIPAC will never allow us to let Isreal stand on her own. As long as we continue to fund Isreal and use our military as a threat to her enemies, real and imagined, she will not be truly a sovereign nation. It comes with a cost. Isreal cannot make a move without first consulting the US in a way that amounts to asking permission. |
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People seem to forget that Israel is quite capable of taking care of herself. It has long been their policy to have a military that could defeat an attack from all the Islamic states in the region at once. They are also a nuclear nation and could turn all the Arab capital cities and the Iranian Capital into inferno's at the touch of a button. We should stay away from foreign quarrels and perpetual battlegrounds. We are not the policeman of the world. |
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Gunny, There could be more to that than you think. Over on another board dedicated to all things concerning Israel I could even know more than I am stating! I am all for it! Curm |
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I am no Noam Chomsky when it comes to this subject... The problem with Israel is not whether they are too tough or too soft on the Palestinians, Arabs or the rest of the Islamic World; it is how they determine whom their enemies are. To paraphrase Charles Krauthammer "One can not negotiate with a gnostic enemy that only wants to kill you, one can only kill them first". In Singapore which has a larger percentage of Muslims and is surrounded my even more powerful enemies, with even less recourses; they use the simple rule of... "If you can live in peace, then you can live with us; however if you preach Jihad, then the penalty is death". Mostly due to their dependence on America and thereby influenced by our Imperialist Mindset; Israeli tactics have been just the opposite for the last half of a century. Israel seems to be adjusting their tactics away from the "People" and towards their enemies. The results won't be apparent to everyone for decades; but people can now eat pizza in Israel a whole lot safer. It will take time... In the future I will refer all tactical opinions on this matter to... Lee Kuan Yew, he seems to know what he is talking about. |
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