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General : Do you believe in free trade?
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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867  (Original Message)Sent: 11/19/2008 4:43 AM
Meaning, should people be able to trade without suffering punative taxation for doing so?


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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 12/1/2008 7:25 AM
Belgium offeres to reduce taxation on businesses in order to attract them to their country?
 
Don't forget Ireland.

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 Message 87 of 100 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/1/2008 7:39 AM
And Delaware.
 
Shall we eliminate tax competition, too?

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 Message 88 of 100 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 12/1/2008 7:50 AM
Last I heard, Ireland was the most "tax-friendly" country on the planet (something like 7%...?)  . Businesses are moving there in droves and the country's economy is thruogh the roof!

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 12/1/2008 7:55 AM
hey,  if the economy of ireland is going strong,  must be going up.  and that is an incentive for the corps to move elsewhere.
 
how about everybody on earth become slaves and no taxes!

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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/1/2008 7:57 AM
You're probably familiar with the Austrian school of economic theory but here's a 'relatively' brief rundown of it.  http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/AustrianSchoolofEconomics.html

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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/1/2008 8:05 AM

The only way for cartels or monopolies to avoid competition over the long term is to obtain government protection. All too often, politicians and bureaucrats readily oblige by imposing coercive regulations. They tend to hide behind all sorts of excuses—safeguarding jobs, ensuring public health and safety, or protecting nationals from foreign competitors. Yet, in reality, inhibiting competition is most often rewarding for regulators, who obtain moral or financial support for the next election campaign or secure lucrative consultancies. Economists call this �?SPAN>rent seeking�?and point out that it is invariably at the expense of the many buyers, who are often unaware of the costs inflicted by political interference. Interventions may offer comfort to a few suppliers, but they harm the wealth of nations, which benefits the many. Most economists, therefore, consider untrammeled competition a public good that governments should protect and cultivate. This conclusion has, for example, inspired political attempts to control mergers, monopolies, union power, and cartels through internal competition policy; and the creation of the World Trade Organization, which was formed to protect international competition from opportunistic governments.  Competition   Wolfgang Kasper


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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 12/1/2008 9:01 AM
The only way for cartels or monopolies to avoid competition over the long term is to obtain government protection.
 
the mafia obtains their monoply by killing off the competition.  the government isn't the only player in the game.
 
i am aware of the austrian school of economics.  and i agree with some of what they say but not all.  and i am also aware of the henry george school of economics.  and i agree with some of what they say but not all.

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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/1/2008 10:25 AM
It's the creation of a black market that sustains organized crime.  The way you create a black market is for a government to make something illegal... thus organized crime owes its existance to governments.
 
Funny how so many problems can be traced back to excessive government interferance in the lives of people.

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From: MSN Nickname™Curm�?/nobr>Sent: 12/1/2008 2:17 PM
Alaska,
 
It's the creation of a black market that sustains organized crime.  The way you create a black market is for a government to make something illegal... thus organized crime owes its existance to governments.
 
There is another element to this.  There is a huge number of people who got cross phased with the IRS.  The IRS now has imposed a 'wages freeze' against them such that if they work the funds they earn go to the IRS.
 
Thus, they begin working for cash only, and soon are swept up by making more in various ways, some illegal.  It is like the government has a farm that grows criminals to sprinkle through society.
 
Curm

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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/1/2008 2:27 PM
Shoot, you don't even have to get afoul of the IRS.  I worked underground for 3 years as a taxi driver.  Amazing how much money you can make when unka sam and the sammies ain't taking their 40% off the top.

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From: MSN NicknamealaskanfreeSent: 12/1/2008 2:58 PM
  Prudence prevents me from commenting...................................

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 12/1/2008 4:26 PM
#95  that is called free loading.  which means honest types have to make up the slack.  if government is bad than get rid of it and let the mafia run things.  oops, the bush presidency was often called the bush mafia.  so i guess there is no diffference now.

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From: MSN NicknameTheJollyTrollSent: 12/1/2008 4:34 PM
It has been my experience that those people that scream the most about free trade (Bushies) either do not understand free trade or do not believe in it. This is how it works�?BR>
Let us say we have a car like Porsche and some one only wants to use it to pick up groceries. Even though the car is German it is assembled at a factory in America.

There is two ways of looking at the purchase of this vehicle Feudalistic (Bushiest) or capitalistic.

In the Feudalistic view the car was made in the states and it is up to the Lords of the Land to decide how much will be paid for it, which individual will get it and what it will be used for.

In a capitalistic system that ever pays the most, gets the car. The argument that Canadian speed limits are higher and therefore make the car more dangerous is NOT a valid complaint.

People are like cars, if they don't get paid enough in one place; they will move to where there are more opportunities. The US government, foundation and mechanism cannot figure out why people are leaving the country.

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From: MSN NicknameKnightly-Sent: 12/1/2008 5:51 PM
Japan returns to deflation brink
By Kosuke Takahashi

TOKYO - The impact of the global slowdown on Japan's exports is raising fears that the world's second-largest economy faces a return to the debilitating effects of the deflation that hamstrung the economy after the collapse of an asset bubble economy in the early 1990s.

Japan's economy slipped into recession in the last quarter for the first time in seven years. Declining demand at home combined with an inflow of cheaper goods from abroad triggered by the recent rapid appreciation of the yen, could drive down prices into the feared deflationary spiral.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/JL02Dh01.html
 
free trade is more complicated than most think.  if the american dollar goes into free fall,  it will change everything.

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From: MSN Nicknamealaska0867Sent: 12/2/2008 9:53 AM
#95  that is called free loading.  which means honest types have to make up the slack.  if government is bad than get rid of it and let the mafia run things. 
 
I disagree.  Freeloading would be drawing welfare.  I worked 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week providing a service for real people.  I once received a tip of $100 on top of the $50 fare... and it was very rare that I was not tipped.  I provided good service.
 
There are folks who attach themselves to 'honest types' and milk them until they are dry.  Some are your every day criminals and others are the kind that think because you give of your own accord, you should give still more... and more... and more.  Both type will suck on you 'till naught is left but an empty husk.
 
In its current form, the federal government is a parasite that gives no benefit... except that which is required for its own survival.  To blithly suggest it can be gotten 'rid of' is naive in the extreme... bordering upon insanity.
 
The federal parasite will not ever give up its host and it will commit all manner of atrocity to see to it that you, I and everyone else stay put in our roles as hosts for its appetites.
 
While I speak of it as a single entity, in point of fact... it isn't.  That's what makes it so horrible.  The 'Fed' is composed of, literally, over 2 million individuals that, likely as not, are good people whom I'd probably like well enough on an individual basis. 
 
Thus it is that we find ourselves oppressed by little old ladies who would bake us cookies if we asked and earnest gentleman who will attempt to help us navigate reams upon reams of red tape.  Never before has oppression come in such a soft, fuzzy package.  And it gets still worse!
 
Those were just the direct employees of the Federal government.  This evil machine has rigged things in such a way that good people who would never dream of harming anyone or stealing so much as a penny from anyone are, by default and willful ignorance, harming and stealing from people who they have never met... harming and stealing from people who are not yet even born and worse still, convinced they have the right!
 
One can think back somewhat wistfully to the days of Stalin and Pol Pot... vile dictators who played no games about what they were.  This current manifestation of tyranny in the form of unka sam and all the little sammies... fluffy bunnies armed with bullwhips, tazors and handcuffs.  It's Stalin re-incarnated as a hundred million tribbles.

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