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General : Obama tilts to center, inviting a clash of ideas
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 11/22/2008 12:34 PM

Obama tilts to center, inviting a clash of ideas

Reported cabinet choices show preference for pragmatists over ideologues

WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination with the enthusiastic support of the left wing of his party, fueled by his vehement opposition to the decision to invade Iraq and by one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate.

Now, his reported selections for two of the major positions in his cabinet �?Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state and Timothy J. Geithner as secretary of the Treasury �?suggest that Mr. Obama is planning to govern from the center-right of his party, surrounding himself with pragmatists rather than ideologues.

The choices are as revealing of the new president as they are of his appointees �?and suggest that, from its first days, an Obama White House will brim with big personalities and far more spirited debate than occurred among the largely like-minded advisers who populated President Bush’s first term.

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27849923/ 

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{ This is exactly how many of us on the left expected Obama to lead. It is in fact why he is President elect. Americans wanted an end to the one-sided extremes of the Bush/Cheney administration and a return to leadership that is thoughtful, deliberate and rational. Obama is making sure he will hear many voices and get a wide variety of views so he can make the careful decisions necessary in this difficult time.

Already he is showing his careful reasoning {that was so obvious in how his campaign was run} in picking a group of experienced and diverse people to be the backbone of his administration. I would love to be a fly on the wall at future cabinet meetings.

Meanwhile..... many on the right wing, still angry and bitter over their profound trashing in the election continue their litany of hate and disgust aimed at Obama. They are truly lost......without a party or a leader.....and stuck in "SWIFTBOATING MODE" they wander around like ghosts unaware they are dead.

They keep mumbling about the "Messiah" and "Obama-zombies" but few are listening. Most us us are looking forward to helping to solve the problems at home and abroad most of which can be laid at the feet of the out going Republican administration. My my......how times have changed!}



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From: NoseroseSent: 11/22/2008 4:00 PM

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/23/2008 12:32 AM
Pretty silly to suggest that Obama is "tilting to the center" since he hasn't done a damned thing except make liberal cabinet choices that are left-leaning liberals.
 
Obama still has not clearly defined anything except promising to grow government and raise taxes.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/23/2008 12:37 AM
Because of Obama's inexperience many Democrats fear that he will over-reach, and they will not support him.  The most experienced liberal democrat knows you cannot be too radical and expect to be re-elected, and if Obama is true to Democrat-form, he will be campaigning for re-election about one minute after he's sworn in.

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From: MSN NicknameTheJollyTrollSent: 11/23/2008 4:54 AM

Do I think that every choice Obama will make is going to be the "Best"???

 

Nope, I strongly disagree with him already on a few of his Senate votes and I am certain that I will be disappointed with him on many more during his time as president.

 

But he has about a one in 44 being better then our current one.


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From: MSN NicknameCattypus1Sent: 11/23/2008 4:56 AM
Obama is quickly shifting to middle ground - something tells me he is rapidly learning that he isn't going to get his own way in a lot of things. If he is willing to be inclusive to recuiting the best talent across the political landscape, that can only be a good thing for Americans (and the world in general). However, I think his judgement in making Hillary Secretary of State is downright scary. Diplomacy and tact aren't exactly her stronger suitsanyways......I will take a 'wait and see' approach with Obama and his team. Seeing that he is the new darling and Messiah of the liberal left they had better pray like hell that he can produce a miracle to save us from the tidal wave of shit that is about to decend on us all. Not even the stinking rich arabs are going to be immune from the coming entrenched global recession....and all the problems that will flow through from it. Btw - somebody should tell those braindead decadent arabs in Dubai that the party is about to end.

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From: MSN NicknameTheJollyTrollSent: 11/23/2008 5:21 AM
I apposed Hillary for President for more of a mater of "Life and Death" issue. I have to say I was a bit Thuggish say the least. Politics is a ugly business and JT got very ugly in his research and tactical suggestions, what so shocked me was how many fellow internet thugs ran with my stuff.   
 

Having said that, other then having a average ethical character for politicians, the Clintons were in general able administrators. Genoa, Italy had it's worst riots in the last fifty years during the Clinton visit there; so I would say with certainty the Clintons are not all that popular with Real Left wing groups out side the US. However in the rest of the demographic groups have a higher respect for them then just about any president in the last fifty years. Even with Bill Richardson's resume, all the gaffs and jokes aside, she does have the contacts and experience. So I strongly disagree, Hillary is probably one of the best choices and am certain that she will do a spiffy job.

I was doing some research on the Arizona Governor and there are some incidents where Hispanic "Hate" groups were banned from campuses; so I seriously doubt she is going coddle extremists on either side. Arizona is "Fair" shape given the current economy; so she is probably a very good choice indeed... I hope.

Volker seems to be "Safe" in the extreme, he may be the Tom Ridge choice that conditions have forced on Obama. He has prior experience with crisis and preformed very admirably.

Keeping Gates in his position is another very wise choice, even I have to admit that he has done a top notch job in a impossible situation.

The rest I simply couldn't even begin to make an analysis on.


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From: IraGherkinSent: 11/23/2008 5:48 AM
If each of those hired earns $30,000 per year that'll be 75 billion a year that'll have to be supplied by tax increases to us poor peons. Get ready to throw your wallets to Obama.
 
Remember Haliburton?  At least these jobs will be building America.

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 11/24/2008 5:34 PM
Hillary Clinton a middle of the roader..... puleeeeeze.... all hussein is doing is stacking the deck with like minded leftists....nothing more...nothing less......

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 11/24/2008 5:35 PM
or with the losers outta billy boys admin................

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From: NoseroseSent: 11/24/2008 9:39 PM
To the extreme right wing any Liberal is a radical. They didn't lose the election because they were rational.....after all.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/25/2008 12:46 AM
Both parties have slid so far left, the time will come soon for a third party of conservatives.

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From: MSN Nickname_Driver_7Sent: 11/25/2008 12:47 AM
The only political "radicals" these days are conservatives with conservavtive values and principles.
 
Socialist policies have been proven failures whenever tried.
 
It's a sorry time in America when socialists are now considered "centrists".

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From: MSN Nicknamebubu_§ezSent: 11/25/2008 5:15 AM
instead of picking up new blood and progressive-minded people, obama seems to be opting for the establishment and dc elitists, which is what mccain wouldve also done ... very disappointing already ...
 
may have a new face .... but the song remains the same ...

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From: MSN NicknameRbshoots1Sent: 11/25/2008 12:55 PM
and you truely expected "change" from hussein? Boy are you really in for a big disappointment when the "messiah" begins his reign and no campaign promise is fulfilled

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