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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbert  (Original Message)Sent: 8/18/2006 2:08 PM
Didn't realise there was consciption in the states. This from the New York Times.
Jim
 
Recruiter hard sell
Military goes too far - study

WASHINGTON - Military recruiters have increasingly resorted to overly aggressive tactics and even criminal activity to attract young troops to the battlefield, congressional investigators say.

Grueling combat conditions in Iraq, a decent commercial job market and tough monthly recruiting goals have made recruiters' jobs more difficult, the Government Accountability Office said yesterday. This has probably prompted more recruiters to resort to strong-arm tactics, including harassment and falsifying documents, to satisfy demands, the GAO said.

According to service data provided to the GAO, substantiated cases of wrongdoing jumped by more than 50%, from about 400 cases in 2004 to almost 630 in 2005.

Meanwhile, criminal cases - such as sexual harassment or falsifying medical records - more than doubled in those years, jumping from 30 incidents to 70.

"Even one incident of recruiter wrongdoing can erode public confidence in the recruiting process," the GAO warned.

The report was done at the behest of lawmakers who were concerned that not enough was being done to curb aggressive recruitment practices.

The Army announced last week it was on track to meet this year's recruiting goal of 80,000 applicants, pulling itself up from a severe shortfall last year.

In a letter to the GAO included in the report, the Defense Department said it agreed the services must establish an internal system to track reports of recruiter wrongdoing.

The Associated Press



Originally published on August 15, 2006


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 Message 12 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamesunnyboyreturnsSent: 8/28/2007 4:54 PM
The United States military is not a simple minded comitment.  Every thing else is.
 
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 8/28/2007 8:19 PM
Lew your #11. Recruiters. Drink.
 
You don't see it now, but up to say 20 years ago in the most traditional pubs we used to use a pewter pint mug with a glass plate in the bottom.
 
This was because in the old days of very frothy beers the recruiting sergeant would slip "The King's Shilling" into your beer, and then draft you. Which is an apocryphal reason why the term "drafting" is used since "draft" is a brewer's term for beer measurement.
 
The glass plate was to enable you to see the coins. (Or T-Dog's veined little eyeball as he gazes longingly at your booze.) 
 
Peter

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 8/29/2007 2:49 AM
Flash, re.#13, I certainly didn't know that about the origin of the term 'draft' but it does make sense.  I always thought the glass bottom was so you could see what was happening while you were drinking.

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 9/3/2007 11:52 AM
A guy I used to work with spent his last two years in the Army as a recruiter. I asked him how it felt to be hated for lying to all of those poor kids? He told me he had never lied to anyone and gave me an example.
 
Him
where do you want to be stationed?
Kid
Ft Hood its close to home.
Him
I'll get you as close to Ft. Hood as I can.
 
months later he gets a call collect from the Korean DMZ.
 
Him
What's up? How are you doing?
Kid
Why am I in Korea? You said I would go to Ft. Hood.
Him
I got you as close as I could Man why are you mad at me?
 
Never trust a recruiter.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/4/2007 1:00 AM
I have been trying to post a response to this thread but I keep walking over to the liquer cabinet and refilling my snifter and laughing while I do it.  My cats think I'm nuts but they know that liquer for me means more treats than usual  for them so they don't care. 

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 9/4/2007 1:27 AM
HAS GREENPEACE BEEN ALERTED TO THIS CAT ABUSE LEW??

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/4/2007 12:40 PM
I haven't heard much about Greenpeace since the French sank the Rainbow Warrior.
What have they been up to lately?

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 9/4/2007 4:36 PM
I didn't even know the French sank it.
 
sunday

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From: MSN NicknamesunnyboyreturnsSent: 9/4/2007 5:06 PM
American soliders join the American  military.  They do not join a fort.  We go anywhere in the world, at anytime, in all types of weather.  Come join us.
 
 
 
sunny 

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 9/4/2007 7:46 PM
Ref # 19. The original Rainbow Warrior was sunk by the French intelligence service in Auckland harbour in 1985, one crewman was killed. The current Rainbow Warrior is Greenpeace's second vessel.   

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 9/4/2007 8:44 PM
THEY ARE STILL SAVING THE WHALES OR SEALS DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF THE YEAR IT IS.
THEY BOMB THEY PLANTED SUNDAY KILLED ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHO WAS ON BOARD AT THE TIME WHILE IT WAS DOCKED.
GREENPEACE WAS AT THE TIME PROTESTING NUKE TESTING BY FRANCE IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC. IT WAS FRANCES WAY OF KEEPING THE RAINBOW WARRIOR AWAY.
 

THE BOMBING OF THE WARRIOR

On the night of July 10 1985 the Rainbow Warrior had been docked in Auckland harbour for three days while preparations for the protest voyage to the nuclear test site at Moruroa Atoll were finalised.

On board the Rainbow Warrior that night were several of the crew and a number of local Greenpeacers. Martini (Gotje, first mate), skipper Pete Willcox, engineer Davey Edwards, Bene Hoffman, radio operator Lloyd Anderson, Rien Achterberg and Fernando Pereira were all having a drink in the ship's mess. Bunny (McDiarmid) was visiting relatives and Henk was at a meeting in the ship's theatre. All the skippers of the peace flotilla were there. Relief cook and peace squadroner Margaret Mills had baked a chocolate cake for Steve's (Sawyer) birthday. After the birthday celebration the assembled skippers met in the ship's theatre to discuss schedules and routes. Margaret, Pete and Lloyd were asleep in their cabins by 11:30, all the others either departed or were up in the mess talking...

At 11:49 an electric blue flash was seen in the water beside the Warrior, quickly followed by a huge explosion. 'Bloody hell... It's from the engine room,' shouted Davey Edward after he was thrown from his chair against the wall. As everyone raced from the mess, Davey ran to the engine room. He was hardly able to open the door. It was like a huge steam bath, with water hissing in through the gaping hole torn in the ship's side.

Captain Pete Willcox, jolted awake, stumbled down to the engine room. One look was enough. 'Abandon ship, everyone get the hell out of here!' he shouted as the ship keeled over towards the wharf.

Fernando Pereira was worried about his cameras. He called out that he was going below to get them. He was quickly followed by Martini, who couldn't find his partner Hanne Sorensen and was worried she might still be in their cabin. The two men skidded down the stairs together. Martini checked out the cabin in scant seconds and made for the deck again, then the wharf. Fernando was in his cabin when the second blast went off, barely two minutes after the first.

There was panic on the wharf. No one had seen Fernando come back up. Martini was still asking, 'Where's Hanne?' Someone said they thought she's gone for a walk earlier.

Elaine (Shaw, director of Greenpeace New Zealand) had just returned home from Piha when the telephone rang. It was a New Zealand Herald reporter who wanted to talk to her about the Rainbow Warrior. 'At one o'clock in the morning!' she snapped. 'Oh I'm sorry. Didn't you know? Your ship's been sunk.' Elaine slammed the phone down in shocked disbelief. Then it rang again - a local radio station this time. 'No, I don't know anything about it,' she said firmly, heart pounding, and hung up. She rang Steve (Sawyer) and the Piha contingent immediately set off for the city.

When they arrived the wharf area was already cordoned off and they were directed to the Wharf Police Station, where the crew,some wrapped in blankets, sat pale-faced and in shock. It was 2 am. The only good news was that Hanne had turned up safe after a walk into the city.

By 4 am divers had recovered Fernando's body. He had drowned, trapped in his cabin, the straps of his camera bag tangled around one leg.

As it emerged that the bombing was a deliberate act of sabotage, there was little doubt in Greenpeace minds who was responsible. Two days after the bombing the French Embassy in Wellington issued a statement echoing the flat denials emanating from Paris. 'In no way is France involved,' it declared. 'The French Government doesn't deal with its opponents in such ways.' But within a few days police had arrested French secret service agents Alain Mafart and Dominique Prieur as they tried to return their van to an Auckland hire company. While they were held in custody, the charter yacht Ouvea, carrying another team of agents implicated in the bombing, sailed to Norfolk Island and then disappeared a few days out to sea heading north for Tahiti. Her crew was reportedly picked up by the French nuclear submarine Rubis, which turned up in Tahiti on July 22 - the first time a French nuclear submarine had been known to enter the South Pacific.

The international outcry pressured the French Government into setting up its own inquiry. After less than three weeks the head of the inquiry, Bernard Tricot, a former Director-General of the Elysee Palace, announced, 'On the basis of the information available to me at this time, I do not believe there was any French responsibility.' The French agents caught in New Zealand were merely there to spy on Greenpeace, Tricot implied, not to bomb them.

Hostility towards the French Government grew after President Mitterrand threatened that any protesters at Moruroa that year would be arrested, and refused to meet with Greenpeace International director, David McTaggart. Rather than cool the growing international controversy, the transparently inadequate Tricot report served only to fuel the fires of indignation and further undermine the French Government's credibility, so that a second inquiry was ordered on 5 September, but it was already too late.

Following claims in the London Sunday Times that President Mitterrand had known of the bombing plan, and implicitly, therefore had authorised it, French Defence Minister Charles Hernu resigned and Admiral Pierre Lacoste, director of the DGSE, France's intelligence and covert action bureau, was sacked. Within days Prime Minister Fabius admitted French secret service agents had bombed the Rainbow Warrior under orders. It was, said New Zealand Prime Minister David Lange, nothing more than 'a sordid act of international state-backed terrorism'.

Charged with murder and arson, on 4 November Mafart and Prieur, just two of a much larger team of saboteurs, pleaded guilty in the High Court at Auckland to lesser charges of manslaughter and wilful damage and were each sentenced to ten years' jail. Their guilty plea ensured that the facts of the police investigation would never be made public. In June 1986, in a political deal presided over by the United Nations Secretary-General, Javier Perez de Cuellar, France agreed to pay compensation of NZ$13 million (US$6.5 million) to New Zealand and 'apologise', in return for which Mafart and Prieur would be detained at the French military base on Hao atoll for three years.

To cap it all, the two spies were both free by May 1988, after less than two years had elapsed, Mafart having been smuggled out



Fernando Pereira

In the mid-1970s Fernando Pereira left his home in Portugal to avoid being conscripted into the armed forces, then embroiled in colonial wars in Africa and Asia. Fernando travelled to the Netherlands, where he eventually joined Greenpeace to turn his photographic skills to what he saw as a politically positive use. After fleeing war to work for peace, Fernando's death was a tragic and cruel irony.


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From: MSN NicknamesunnyboyreturnsSent: 9/5/2007 4:24 PM
When you mess with the bear, dont complain when the bear messes back.   That was my idea to blow up that greenpeace boat.  That was a good thing.
 
 
sunny  

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/5/2007 4:53 PM
Unless you're trying to tie up a port's facilities, sinking a ship tied to a pier is ridiculous.  Place command detonated explosives in the right places, wait until the ship sails out of sight and THEN sink it.  Done correctly the ship & crew vanish into the great unknown and no blame is attached to anyone.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/5/2007 7:19 PM
As we know from his comments about the Catholic Church, Sunny is a commie fellow traveller, and in fact did destroy Rainbow Warrior to provoke left wing propaganda.
Give him credit for being a cunning sleeper/agent in place, building up his cover by going toVietnam.
All seeing eye Flash.  

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From: MSN NicknamesunnyboyreturnsSent: 9/6/2007 6:48 PM
Sink a boat anywhere you can.  But we did that just to watch the greenpeace fly.  It was most intertaining.  Did you know that the other crew people wet their pants.
 
 
sunny

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