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Hi All I am a new member. My nickname is Layman J (I'm Buddhist) and I am going through the teaching credential program at Humboldt State University. I have a double major in history and philosophy from CSU Fresno. Here is a possible subject of research (personal) I have been running through my brain the past couple of days. It seems that the early abolitionists, the radical ones, that wanted slavery to end right then and there, who truly believed in the equality of the human race, were all Bible readers and Christians. On the other hand, the "Founding Fathers", who talked a good talk about equality but mostly all had slaves (Alexander Hamilton being the exception?) were Humanists, coming out of the "Age of Enlightment". They went to church, but rarely read the Bible, and believed in secular democracy and not in a Creator per say nor in the divinity of Jesus, etc.. Any thoughts? |
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Sunny, yes. Church of England, Lutheran Church. Is Israel classified as a Secular State? If not, then the Jewish Religion. Must admit, though I think it's secular. Mount Ararat Holy Jumpin' Church of Jesus, Speightstown, Barbados, British West Indies (membership 8) Pentecostal Suprapubic Church of the Risen Yorkshireman Auckland, NZ (Membership 1) You got millions, Bwa! You Bin' Saved. |
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Layman, Slavery is a black eye in American History that no one will ever erase or allow to be erased. However, the descendents of the slaves have it really nice now living in a land where starvation is nonexistent. governments coninually change hands generally in abloody mess. Not too mention other great things T-man |
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BACK TO MY 21. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE TRUE COST OF A SLAVE IN 1860 IN AMERICA?? |
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Planters with families were more fearful of slave resistance, so
they preferred to buy slaves that were already "broken in."
Caribbean planters had fewer reservations, so they were more
likely to trade directly to Africa for "wild" slaves (bozolas, in
Schafer's KINGSLEY). Carolina traders bought "tamed" slaves at
Caribbean ports. Kingsley was typical of a Carolina trader
because he bought his slaves at Caribbean ports, notably Havana.
SLAVE PRICES
Robert Williams Fogel and Stanley L. Engerman completed an
economic study of American slavery in TIME ON THE CROSS: THE
ECOMONICS OF AMERICAN NEGRO SLAVERY (1974). The following data
(from pages 73-74) compares average slave prices and wages in the
Deep South for the years 1830-1860:
Period Hire Price Average annual
rate of return
1830-1835 127 948 12%
1836-1840
1840-1845 143 722 18.5%
1846-1850 168 926 17%
1851-1855 167 1240 12%
1856-1860 196.5 1658 10.3%
The figures for 1840-1850 show what happens when the price of
slaves dropped--it became cheaper to buy a slave than to hire
one. The only drawback was that it required more up-front
capital to buy a slave, so not everyone could do that. HERE YOU ARE, PBA
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THANK-YOU AGAIN FLASH. 1856-1860---HIRE $196.50 TO BUY ---$1658.00 I TAKE IT A HIRED SLAVE WOULD HAVE TO STAY FROM START TO FINISH AT LEAST THROUGH THE ENTIRE GROW SEASON. CAN THEY GET MORE THAT ONE CROP A YEAR FROM COTTON?? WHO HOUSED AND FEED THE HIRED ONES AND WHO PAID FOR IT?? FROM POST #14. 4 SLAVES TO PRODUCE 1 TON OF COTTON.OR 1 SLAVE 4 YRS. TO PRODUCE ONE TON. 4X$196.50= $786.00 IN LABOUR COSTS TO PRODUCE 1 TON OF COTTON. THERE WOULD ALSO BE OTHER EXPENSES. WHAT WOULD THE PRICE OF A TON OF COTTON BE IN 1860?? |
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| Year<o:p></o:p> | Price Per Pound of Cotton<o:p></o:p> | | 1800<o:p></o:p> | 37¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1801<o:p></o:p> | 44¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1802<o:p></o:p> | 19¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1805<o:p></o:p> | 15¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1818<o:p></o:p> | 32 ½ ¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1819<o:p></o:p> | 14¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1837-1848<o:p></o:p> | Under 10¢<o:p></o:p> | | 1857<o:p></o:p> | 15¢<o:p></o:p> | Table 4
Cotton Gin Patents in the Southern States, 1831-1890<o:p></o:p> | Years<o:p></o:p> | Number of Patents<o:p></o:p> | | 1831-40<o:p></o:p> | 5<o:p></o:p> | | 1841-50<o:p></o:p> | 7<o:p></o:p> | | 1851-60<o:p></o:p> | 53<o:p></o:p> | | 1861-70<o:p></o:p> | 21<o:p></o:p> | | 1871-80<o:p></o:p> | 109<o:p></o:p> | | 1881-90<o:p></o:p> | 156<o:p></o:p> | | Total<o:p></o:p> | 351<o:p></o:p> | PBA AS REQUESTED. NOTE PRICE DROPS WITH INCREASE OF PATENTS FOR WHITNEY COTTON GINS |
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SORRY, Pba FIGURES ARE THERE TO LHS OF CLUTTER. |
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Interestingly the figures in #31 above emerged in my Post to Sunny regarding "The price of Liberty" thread ijn General HP. |
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Layman, do you want to discuss Slavery or just the relatively small part of it concerning white ownership of blacks in what is now America? |
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Repete, how about spinning your posting on the Eastern slave trade into a seperate thread? |
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LEW I THINK THE SUBJECT IS DEAD. I LAST POSTED TO THAT THREAD JAN 18TH 2007. |
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Lew I think Layman left site after I pointed out some of the worst slavers were Tibetan Buddhists. He is a Buddhist. And proud of it. I'm a Caucasian slaver. And proud of it. I wonder if I forgot to tell him the one about the Novice Hippie monk and the Yak? No-one's got a sense of humour. |
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