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Ancient History : Message in an Unknown Tongue
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From: MSN NicknameREDNECKCA  (Original Message)Sent: 8/28/2004 1:22 PM
For all you cyrptologists, linguists, antiquarians, and general Ancient  history freaks.  This is a link to the Voynich Manuscript, which is a rather strange document written in an unknown language never translated or decoded.  It is even disputed as to whether or not it is a real language, glossalia, or code.  It is the only known example of the style of writing.
 
 
 
 
and here is one page of several that can be pulled up from the links on the bottom of the article.   http://highway49.library.yale.edu/photonegatives/SearchExec.asp
 
There is a prize for anyone who solves it.
 
REDNECKCA
 


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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 5/24/2005 1:47 AM
I think it says that women control the direction of all things.
 
sunday

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 5/24/2005 4:19 AM
IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH POURING MAIDENS WATER INTO A BOWL OR BATH.
PROBABLY A CURE ALL FOR SOMETHING OR AN INGREDIENT FOR THE SAME.
USED FOR CURING SKIN ACME OR PIMPELS

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From: MSN NicknameRonin_TimeKeepersSent: 7/15/2005 7:26 AM
Now I am basing this on the single page shown, but here are a few observations.
1) the figure that looks like a lower case g is far to repetative to be a single letter or sound in any of the european launguges
2) the text is very repeatative I would suspect it may be a song or chant or poem.
If point 2 is correct then the repeating G could be a phonetic addition to the rhyme like
oh my dearie
do you see mie
in the bathie
with my famlie
 
anyone else?

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From: bowleggedSent: 7/15/2005 2:12 PM
Good theory, Ronin. Looks like you have a bit of a linguists background, maybe?

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From: MSN NicknameNevetsnayaSent: 3/18/2007 8:24 PM
This is the first I've heard of the manuscript.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/19/2007 1:02 AM
I can't even see the flaming thing.

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From: MSN NicknameREDNECKCASent: 3/19/2007 1:31 AM
Flashman -- I took the pictures off so as not to overrun storage space. To get a look at the manuscript, click on the world of mystery links in message one.

Redneck -- Dragon

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 3/19/2007 8:46 AM
I CAN'T FIND THE PICTURE NEITHER THAT WE ALL COMMENTED ON REDNECK.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/20/2007 2:06 PM
 
Redneckca
 
I studied the basic form of Classical Arabic and noted 2 factors. One is that there are conventions aboiut phoneticising foreign words. So take "Seven Up". There is no short vowel sound for e, or u, and no consonant for v or p. So "Seven Up" is spelt "Sabun Ab" .
 
And when you think Arabic had 32 consonants and long vowels, and I think 8 short vowels which are only written in Korans or childrens' primers, yet we with 21 long vowels and consonants and 5 short vowels can interchange oiur languages, there's a lot of space for convention.
 
So, I think what you have is a European phoneticised foreign language.  
 
a's, d's, e's and s's seem very common as miniscules, and  looped t's l's as majescules.
 
There is a very strong theory that this is a coded graffito discovered on the walls of the Buffalo Police vice squad lavatory cubicle 4, but let's not run with that hare.
 
Peter

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 3/20/2007 7:55 PM
THAT'S NOT THE PIC. IT WAS A JAR OR URN WASN'T IT??

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/20/2007 10:09 PM
Soddit, PBA
If the academic world and you don't know, what chance have I got. That was the only pic which would open.
So there.
Einstein I ain't.

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From: MSN NicknameREDNECKCASent: 3/20/2007 10:39 PM


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/20/2007 11:32 PM
Guide to Research Tools    Orbis (Yale's Online Catalog)    Database of Archival Collections and Manuscripts   
Uncataloged Acquisitions    Digital Images Online    Special Collections: Additional Resources
<INPUT type=hidden name=THESTRINGXC> Your query encountered the following error: Arguments are of the wrong type, are out of acceptable range, or are in conflict with one another.
 
Not that helpful, either.

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From: MSN NicknameNevetsnayaSent: 4/6/2007 2:03 AM
It could be an old hoax. I don't know about the era in which the manuscript was written, but Hoaxes have been pulled off during various eras, for a variety of reasons. Hoaxes were plentiful during the nineteenth century, for example. And artificial languages have been created many times. Perhaps the author wanted to fool the reading public, or it was an inside joke?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 4/6/2007 12:53 PM
Nevetsnaya
I'll buy that. From my British (and West Indian) schooldays, I am comfortable with Latin, French, and German and did Blackletter as a hobby.
I keep feeling (sign of a good hoax) there's something there, but it just slips out of my intellectual grasp. The script is nearly Chancery, but there are just too many doubled majescule consonants.
Could be a letter from PBA to his Bank Manager. Not enough tearstains though.
Peter

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