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Ancient History : The age of the sphinx
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From: MSN NicknameBigstickHoe  (Original Message)Sent: 5/12/2005 7:59 AM
Hi. I've been reading a couple of books by Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock and apparently the sphinx has been dated to beyond 12,000 years by geologists (a bigger authority than egyptologists when it comes to dating stone monuments). Also, if the sphinx was built around 10,000 BC, it would be facing the constellation Leo on the horizon which would certainly be more appropriate. any comments?


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From: MSN NicknameTenzin2Sent: 9/21/2006 4:09 AM
There's plenty more where that came from in regard to the Sphinx, a lot of the geological arguments are way above my head though.
 
Suffice to say, it's doubtful it was carved 12,000 years ago.
 
Same goes for the Orion Correlation Theory, seems plausible when the pyramids are overlayed onto a picture of Orion's Belt, but past that, there's nothing really of substance to the theory.  Nothing in the mythology, nothing in the ground plans and definitely nothing in the alignments.
 
If you or anyone else wants to read more I'll gladly post some resources.
 
Ten.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/21/2006 8:50 PM
The sexual urge of the camel is stranger than anyone thinks.
He’s lived for years on the desert, and tried to seduce the Sphinx.
 But the Sphinx’s center of pleasure lies buried deep in the Nile
which accounts for the hump on the camel
and the Sphinx’s inscrutable smile.


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From: MSN NicknamesunnyboyreturnsSent: 9/26/2006 5:55 PM
You can date a rock but you can not date when it was stacked.
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN NicknameTenzin2Sent: 10/3/2006 3:56 PM
On the contrary, Optically Stimulated Luminescence (OSL) dating has been used since the late 70's, being further refined over the last few years.  It measures when a rock surface was first exposed to the atmosphere, based on how it interacts with cosmic rays and its resultant chemical changes.
 
The drawback is, that it can only be used on rocks that contain quartz or feldspar grains.
 
It at least tells you when a rock was quarried which would presumably be within reasonable timeframe to when it was stacked.
 
Ten.

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From: MSN NicknameCatfishKingdomSent: 12/28/2006 2:38 AM
 
fIRST. I find that in contemplating the validity of the statements made regarding the age of any of the ancient civilizations, ancient anything, that some who report their fantastic findings are NOT archaeologists....however, this doesn't mean they have not researched their claims to some degree at least.  They have to do so,although many of those that make claims have various reasons for doing so.
 
Second, the age of artifacts and relics are always a bit iffy, because there are soooo many factors involved in being able to determine the age of things over a certain amount of age......
 
 
this site gives you one way
 
this gives you another look at the methods of dating
 
Home > News > Press Releases & Media Advisories > Press Release

New method for determining age of artifacts fills chronological gap for scientists


Quartz hydration dating opens window on 50,000-year time period difficult to measure with other dating methods


Irvine, Calif., April 12, 2004

A UC Irvine archaeological scientist has created a new method for determining the approximate age of many artifacts between 50,000 to 100,000 years old �?a period for which other dating methods are less effective.

In a recent study in the Journal of Archaeological Science, Jonathon Ericson, professor and chair of UCI’s Environmental Health, Science and Policy Department, and colleagues introduce a new mineral dating technique called quartz hydration dating. The technique dates artifacts containing quartz, a common mineral found in almost every type of rock.

Quartz hydration dating is based on a natural phenomenon that occurs when a piece of quartz is fractured. When a statue or a common chopping tool or hand ax is made, the surface is chipped, flaked, fractured or polished. Over time, water diffuses into the freshly exposed surface forming a hydration layer. The thickness of this layer can then be measured by a nitrogen particle beam to determine how many years ago the object was made or fractured naturally.

According to Ericson, quartz hydration can date objects that are between 100 and 1 million years old to within 20 to 35 percent of the object’s age. Quartz can be found at archaeological excavation sites worldwide from Africa’s Olduvai Gorge to China’s Choukoutien and even California’s Mohave Desert. A ubiquitous mineral, quartz was used in toolmaking from the beginning of human history and also can be found in statues, bowls and ceramics.

The new method, however, is particularly useful for dating quartz-containing artifacts in the “chronological gap�?that exists for objects that are between 50,000 to 100,000 years old. Other dating methods are poor performers for this period or have questionable accuracy, and the most familiar dating methods are not effective at all. Radiocarbon dating is good for dating organic material up to around 50,000 years old, and potassium argon dating is good for dating mineral samples that are between 100,000 and 4.3 billion years old.

Forged artifacts also can be tested with the quartz hydration dating technique. With replications of statues for example, the thinness or lack of the hydration layer will give away their age. The technique may also have applications for dating geological events, such as an earthquake rupture, which would cause natural fracturing of quartz.

“What is so exciting about quartz hydration dating is that it opens up the possibilities of dating other minerals, which could lead to a whole new class of materials and processes that could be dated,�?Ericson said.

Ericson’s colleagues in the study are Oliver Dersch and Friedel Rauch of the Institute for Nuclear Physics at the Johann Wolfgang Goethe University in Frankfurt, Germany. Partial funding for this study was provided by the National Science Foundation.

Quartz pendant from the ancient Olmec civilization of Mexico, chronologically dated at 1 A.D. through quartz hydration dating, with a range of certainty plus or minus 500 years.


 

http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761572159

cience 10 October 1997:
Vol. 278. no. 5336, pp. 220 - 222
DOI: 10.1126/science.278.5336.220

Research News

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ARCHAEOLOGY:
Doubts Over Spectacular Dates

Ann Gibbons

New dating techniques based on measuring a tiny luminescence signal from sediments long hidden from light have yielded some of the most startling--and fiercely disputed--dates in archaeology. Among other things, luminescence dates place humans in Australia more than 100,000 years ago, two to three times earlier than previously thought, and in Siberia 250,000 years ago. Many researchers worry that these techniques are being applied too hastily, without enough checking against other methods.

 

 
 
 
Just a few of the sources that one can check and realize that the best we can do in most cases is surmise with the information we presently have.
Some years down the road as more information is discovered, we will find the we have found other methods for checking and then we can get SOME idea only......even then.
But, the discovery of same is exciting in any stage of development and discovery of information.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameREDNECKCASent: 12/28/2006 6:00 PM
If anyone is interested, here is a site describing several methods of dating. On about page four is Obsidian(Quartz) Hydration.

Personally, I would rather just guess, more fun.

REDNECKCA

http://archaeology.about.com/cs/datingtechniques/a/timing.htm

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From: race2threeSent: 2/18/2007 10:28 AM
I saw a documentary concerning the subject of the age of the sphinx....egyptology has not been my primary focus throughout a lifetime of reading...although I do of course have a general knowledge of egyption history and culture....that being said....I have to agree with those who replied in the negative concerning the EXTREME age of the sphinx 10 or 12 milleniia...there were many interesting points brought up....wear...from wind, water...etc..one of the things I that did ring true was the reasoning behind shaping the sphinx on the location it sits....natural rock...shaped by wind...found all over that area of n. africa...this particular rock probably looked much like the "sphinx" that the egyptians later shaped it into....as to the location and placement of the pyramids...belt of orion....ets...ufos....chariots ot the gods notwhithstanding.....it seems to me that they put the second pyramiid next to the first, and the third next to the second...in the most logical way the site provided.....I believe it was more about the ground, the asthtetics, and the amount of room they had for all the other pyramids...sphinx...temples...etc....they did a great job...why does it have to be cosmic?  If a star is far enough away....EVERYTHING on earth lines up with it....
 

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From: MSN NicknameAirman607Sent: 6/17/2007 2:26 AM
what r u talking about

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From: MSN NicknameBIGSNOWBIRD1Sent: 6/17/2007 3:24 AM
As I recall it is at least 12000 years old.  It was just after one of those ice ages, hence the water.  It was just starting to warm up a bit and the crew I was supervising wanted to take off a few days to go fishing.  When I refused they formed a union went on strike.
 
Jerrythe aged

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 6/17/2007 2:01 PM
Well I believe it was an actual living creature.
Flat Earth Flash

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 8/4/2007 5:21 AM
I agree with Flashman, it was a living creature that got flashed by Perseus after he partyed with Medusa (a real stoner).  I do believe that I once woke up next to one of Medusa's distant descendents, but the blood was diluted because I onlyy broke one tooth when I chewed my arm off to get away. 

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 8/4/2007 2:44 PM
I know I'm crabby before my first morning coffee, Lew, but I had no idea.......
 
sunday

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 8/10/2007 8:50 PM
 
Sunday
Is the above #19 a confession, and is your other site name really Bigstickwho'e? See Post #1

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 8/12/2007 3:32 PM
Sunday my love,  I was a soldier on leave and she had a bottle of Stoli so you can see that it was a match made in heaven.

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