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Ancient History : Why did Rome?
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From: MSN NicknameOwlatnight8880  (Original Message)Sent: 9/22/2007 4:58 AM
why is itthat th Romans had so much trouble in fighting the parthians? They should have been able to adapt to the eastern way of fighting. The small swfit horse and curved short bow and parting shot. Crassus lost seven legions and hisown life and his sons lives. Although there were numerous survivors from that nightmarish episode. The Romans were an infantry based force that faovred the Pilum and Gladius and the ballista. They fought behind shields and were great in manouvere. They defeated germans,Egyptians,Syrians,Greeks,Maceadonians,Gauls,Dacians,Fins,Brittons,Carthage,Goths,visigoths,ostrogoths,vandals,jordan,judea,armenia,among many others and yet this one enemy kept them so frustrated? So what is it that made the parthians so formidable?


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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 9/27/2007 3:10 PM
Lew, what I always found interestin' was when the Romans lost a legion.  They never used the number again which led to more than one legion sharin' the same number.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/27/2007 5:16 PM
Normal, have you read any of Stephen Dando-Collins' books on the individual Legions?  The amount of detail is amazing and he is a top notch writer so the books are in no way boring or pedantic.  Really excellent stuff.
 
1. Caesar's Legion (the 10th)
2. Cleopatra's Kidnappers (the 6th)
3. Mark Anthony's Heros (the 3rd Gallica)
4. Nero's Killing Machine (the 14th)

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/27/2007 9:57 PM
I've served where Varus lost his eagles. It's to the South of Minden, where a razor-back ridge crosses the Weser. Very steep and very heavily forested, perfect ambush site.
The area is called the Kaiserberger Ridge, and on one side of the Weser stands a huge head of kaiser Wilhelm, the other, Herman Goering. There are huge caves which were dispersed factories during WW2.
Why the Hell Varus wanted to penetrate that ridge I do not know. Could have bypassed it and continued of flat land. 

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/28/2007 4:07 AM
He trusted Arminius and distrusted the men who warned him against him.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/29/2007 12:48 AM
Lew, you've lost me here Is this a reply to my #22? Who was Arminius. Yes, I should know but his name escapes me.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/29/2007 3:27 PM
Arminius was the Cherusci prince who, with his brother, had been raised as a hostage in Rome.  He was trained as a Roman soldier but he was an ardent nationalist and hated Rome.  He was the original superman.  His memorial refers to him as HERR MANN VON DE DEUTCH (Mr. Man of the Germans). 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 9/30/2007 10:30 AM
Lew, no I haven't heard of the books or author bro.  Are these books  easily available at a bookstore or text books ya used in education?

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 9/30/2007 11:27 AM
Normal, I got all of mine at Borders, but they are written well enough to easily serve as text books.  The wealth of detail is outstanding.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/30/2007 9:48 PM
Vague memories returning. Thank you Lew

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 10/1/2007 1:32 AM

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/5/2007 4:40 PM
Flash, while we have all heard the most common expression........Beware of Greeks  bearin' gifts.  Most of us have not been privileged to hear the other expression....Beware of a outin' in the woods for there might be a German hidin' waitin' to b*gger ya. 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/5/2007 4:41 PM
Lew, thanx for the info as to where I can search for the books much appreciated bro.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 10/5/2007 11:08 PM
Normal
That's Virgil's Aeneid Book 2
Timeo Danaos (a name for a Greek tribe) et Dona ferentes
I had to spend 4 hours in detention for failing to remembr that so you bu**gers can suffer too.

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/25/2007 1:00 AM
Flash, while ya was in yer 4 hours of detention.  Where they at least civilized enough to serve ya tea and crumpets?  If not then they were total savages, perhaps it was their knuckles that deserved to feel the ruler.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 10/25/2007 12:43 PM
No. I complained to my Latin master, who burst into mock tears and sniffled:"nemo iactantia moeret quam qui laetatur".
"No-one mourns more ostentatiously that he who secretly rejoices."
I then got another flogging for not knowing that.

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