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From: MSN NicknamePoppy1967-1968  (Original Message)Sent: 10/13/2007 5:34 PM
My question to the group is...
 
Who were the first peoples/army to wear uniforms in war?

I just joined this group today, and after reading some of the posts here, I see I can learn a-lot. Thanks for having me as a member.
 
Poppy
 


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 10/25/2007 12:46 PM
My ex, who follows a TV jewellery show, tells me the Black Prince's Ruby has been discovered to be Spinel, a cheaper allotropy of Ruby.
must be a lesson in there somewhere. 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/25/2007 4:06 PM
Awwwl good old Sennacherib, Lew, I have always though that the clay prism that he recorded some of campaigns on was a great find and of great historical value.  Goin' from memory here wasn't he named after their moon god?  Asshur, who not only was one of their diety's, but wasn't that also the name of the individual who founded Assyria?  Which brings me to a question..............I had noticed before that one of the patriarchs in the Jewish chronology was named Eber, do ya know if it is from his name that they became to be called Hebrews?  I have always just kinda assumed as such, but have to admitt hat I have never checked to see if my assumption was correct.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 10/25/2007 8:56 PM
Normal
You have the Arabic words IBR meaning crosser (nomad)
                                           IBRAHIM Abraham. (
                                               RAHIM Wise (Bismillah a'Rahman a'Rahim)
                                          IBN            Son of
So, loads of sounds associating with "Hebrew". I might almost go for Ibrahim, as Abraham was the one who made the Israelites Nomads.
 
I've checked the above with Wikipedia before posting ; so ain't claiming no linguistic talent.
Peter                                             

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/25/2007 11:13 PM
Thanx for the info Flash, ya have peaked my intrest now.  So I think I will check out what ya posted and any othe info I can dig up.

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/26/2007 12:45 AM
This is all I was able to dig up on Eber, it is from wikopedia so none to sure of it's schoolary accuracy.
 

Eber (עֵבֶר, Standard Hebrew ʿÉver, Tiberian Hebrew ʿĒḇer, Arabic: هود) is a person from the Hebrew Bible. He was a great-grandson of Noah's son Shem and the father of Peleg and Joktan. He was an ancestor of Abraham who is in turn traditionally the father of the Israelites and the Arabs.

In Jewish tradition, Eber, the great-grandson of Shem, refused to help with the building of the Tower of Babel, so his language was not confused when it fell. He and his family alone retained the original human language, called lingua humana in Latin or Gortighern. After this, the language was called Hebrew, named after Eber. (There are different religious positions on this issue; see also Edenics and Adamic language.)

The name "Eber" along with the name Hapiru are considered by Biblical scholars to be the roots of the word "Hebrew", with "eber" most often meaning "side" or "beyond", but also region beyond or across, opposite side, or passage.

[Genesis 10:21] Also to Shem, the father of all the Children of Eber, and the older brother of Japheth, children were born. (NASB)

In some translations of the New Testament, he is referred to once as Heber ([Luke 3:35] ...the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Heber, the son of Shelah...); however, he should not be confused with the Heber of the Old Testament (different Hebrew spelling חבר), grandson of Asher ([Genesis 46:17] The sons of Asher: Imnah and Ishvah and Ishvi and Beriah and their sister Serah. And the sons of Beriah: Heber and Malchiel).

According to tradition, Eber died at the age of 464 when Jacob was 20. The Hebrew synchronises this date with 1817 BC.

 

Habiru (Ha biru) or Apiru or pr.w (Egyptian)[1]was the name given by various Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Ugaritic sources (dated, roughly, from before 2000 BC to around 1200 BC) to a group of people living as MAR TU or nomadic invaders in areas of the Fertile Crescent from Northeastern Mesopotamia and Iran to the borders of Egypt in Canaan [2] Depending on the source and epoch, these Habiru are variously described as nomadic or semi-nomadic, rebels, outlaws, raiders, mercenaries, and bowmen, servants, slaves, migrant laborers, etc.

The names Habiru and Apiru are used in Akkadian cuneiform texts. The corresponding name in the consonant-only Egyptian script appears to be `PR.W`, conventionally pronounced Apiru (W being the Egyptian plural suffix). In Mesopotamian records they are also identified by the Sumerian logogram `SA.GAZ`, of unknown pronunciation.

In Mesopotamian records, they are also identified by the Sumerian logogram SA.GAZ. The name Habiru was also found in(the Amarna letters, which again include many names of Canaanite peoples written in Akkadian. The Amarna letters written to Egyptian pharaohs in the 14th century BCE) document a time of unrest in Canaan that goes back before the battle of Kadesh to the time of Thutmose I.


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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 10/26/2007 6:01 AM
Normal,  the Assyrian King List begins with "ten kings in tents" but does not name them.  It is entirely possible that one of them was named Asshur and that he was the tribal ancestor raised to God-hood, but I have no proof either way.   Sennacherib's father was Sargon II and his Grand son was Asshurbanipal, the last great King of Assyria. 
 
I think Haibru was a name given to a group of semitic speaking thieves, robbers, and sheep rustlers and I believe they developed into the Hebrew but that is only an opinion and not a real popular one.

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/26/2007 4:46 PM
Lew, I had once read that the Assyrians, were the Romans, of the east.  Ashurbanipal, has the destinction to have been the ruler at the height of Assyrian military and cultural endeavours.  One of his greatest accomplishments in my opinion was his establishin' a great library in Ninevah.  Which many of the cuneiform tablets exsist today which of course allowes historical and archeological studies into his country and that era of time.  He subjegated a good part of the middle east of which Babylon, was a good portion.  Along with capturin' the Susa, the capitol of Elam.  What is interestin' is while he sent scribes to plunder the local records of subjegated kingdoms to add to his library.  He marked the tablets of his library so if any were stolen they could find the culprit and of course punish them.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 10/27/2007 12:57 AM
Normal, as an ancient historian I would have to say that Rome was the Assyria of the West but that would be nitpicking so I won't.    Asshurbanipal was the last great Assyrian King and he is the one pointed to when we talk of Assyrian cruelty.  He took the King of the Arabs (Lybians) prisoner and chained him just out side the gate of Nineveh with orders to bark at all strangers ( I always did appreciate someone with a sense of humor).   He also had the head of an enemy King hung from a tree in his garden so he could look at it while he ate.   I wish I could have accessed his library before it was destroyed, imagine a First Edition of Gilgamesh. 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 10/27/2007 4:26 AM
 I wish I could have accessed his library before it was destroyed, imagine a First Edition of Gilgamesh
 
Oh hell Lew, just the prospect of somethin' as such is somethin' I don't think I could put into words.  I have often wondered what kind of knowledge we could have gained if the great library at Alexandria, could have been spared or even a good portion of it.  I do hope that when Iraq finally stabalizes that the west will be given the permission to do a unprecedented number of digs over there.  I was glad to read that even though the war was on that they where still rebuildin' the old Babylon.  Although when the manic Sadam, was doin' it he had the nerve to build a palace adajacent to the old palace of Nebuchadnezzar.......One thing is for sure the area 'tween the Tigris and the Euphrates from the north to the south does deserve to be considered the craddle of civilization.  I just hope when stability comes we reach a zenith in the growth of knowledge of the ancient world and ancient history.  While not a historian or teacher such as yerself my friend I have always considered ancient history my first love.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 10/27/2007 7:58 AM
Normal, when I think of all the knowledge lost in the destruction of the ancient Libraries, like Alxandria, Rome, Constantinople, Samarkand, Shiraz,  Nineveh, and the other cities of Mesopotamia, China, and what is now the Gobi,  let alone what the Spanish burnt in Mexico, it makes me sick.    Do you remember hearing of a series of caves found in China that had been filled with manuscripts and treatises and even dictionaries from a city that no-one had heard of?  Well there is a movie (Chinese w/subtitles) called "The Silk Road" that tells of the cave and how it came to be filled.  Excellent movie and well worth the watching.    Check it out, tell me what you think.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 12/12/2007 10:31 PM
 enjoyed seeing uniforms on one million warriors, when the first commander to ever be able to afford full dress uniforms was a Prussian sometime after the 16th century A.D.  And such a remarkable surplus of wrought iron and steel, in cultures who's economies were so poor that only the most fabulously rich could afford such.  And the magical appearance of food for millions, the lack of flies, carrion animals, warriors sick from diseases, and of course, how nice the Spartan women could keep their hair in an age lacking in running water, soap, shampoo, or hair conditioners.
 
Well boys this is from our new chap Manse Everard.

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 12/13/2007 6:55 AM
I n the comic book world that "The 300" was based on, Life is always better and War is always cleaner, and I can't believe anyone took the movie seriously. 

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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 1/15/2008 5:31 PM
Lew, what I found most depressin' about the movie from the comic book.  Was that Frank Miller, my favorite comic book writter/artist from his days of writtin' DareDevil was the author of the comic 300.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 1/15/2008 6:42 PM
There is only one acceptable American comic writer.
 
 

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