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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbert  (Original Message)Sent: 10/4/2008 10:04 PM
Flashman's reference to Chrysler and Rootes, reminded me of a TV programme I saw, dealing with the worst cars ever made in Britain. A brilliant conception, but rather than taking advantage of the Chrysler V8 to power it, they "glued together two engines from another failed Triumph, the Dolomite. Total flop.
 
You could put all the names of all the British Leyland cars of the late '60s in a hat and you'd be guaranteed to pull out a despicable, rotten-to-the-core mockery of a car. So consider the Triumph Stag merely representative. Like its classmates, it had great style (penned by Giovanni Michelotti) ruined by some half-hearted, half-witted, utterly temporized engineering: To give the body structure greater stiffness, a T-bar connected the roll hoop to the windscreen, and the windows were framed in eye-catching chrome. The effect was to put the driver in a shiny aquarium. The Stag was lively and fun to drive, as long as it ran. The 3.0-liter Triumph V8 was a monumental failure, an engine that utterly refused to confine its combustion to the internal side. The timing chains broke, the aluminum heads warped like mad, the main bearings would seize and the water pump would poop the bed �?ka-POW! Oh, that piston through the bonnet, that is a spot of bother. 
 
  
 


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/8/2008 4:30 PM
I might guess the propulsion bit is a BSA M10 Sidevalve. 350 cc with sv torque not so stupid.
Italians had the Ape
 

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 10/8/2008 8:01 PM
The Germans made a funny looking car called the DKW.  Had two wide wheels in the front & two narrow one's aft.  Buddy of mine had one back in the early 60's.
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/8/2008 9:27 PM
DKW Junior
 
Looks to me like this, Tommy, 1963 DKW Junior.
DKW either stands for a "Small boy's dream" (das Knabe Wunsch) or Deutsche Kraft Wagen "German Steam Car".
They built Sunday type miniature engines for toy cars hence the first name .
 
This you are looking at is a 798 2-stroke with crankshaft freewheel.(rememeber early SAABS?)
 
Early WW2 DKW was the world's biggest car manufacturer and post WW2 the only competition to VW

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/8/2008 10:51 PM
DKW 900 2-stroke.
Later used by SAAB
 
 
 
Under the bonnet; 3 cyl 2-stroke. note 1 set of contacts for each cylinder revolving round a central distributor wheel.

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 10/9/2008 2:03 AM
Flash, it had a 2 stroke engine but the pix is not it.  Maybe it was an NSU?  Or something like that.  I know it was German made.
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknamemajorshrapnelSent: 10/9/2008 5:13 PM
 
My Missus had one of these, a Wartburg Knight, which also had a 2 stroke engine, the one pictured I believe, without going into it, as I can't be arsed at the moment, but.... there is a little tale of skulduggery and redemption attached to this car, as because it was a 2 stroke, the petrol going in had to be measured to the gallon, for the purpose of getting the ratio of oil to petrol right. Now, whenever anybody fills up, they always buy in £'s and not gallons, so nobody ever checks what they are charging per gallon. My wife did, through having to, and found they were overcharging to some tune and confronted the manager over it. He shat himself (visions of coppers and Inland revenue raiding his house in the middle of the night)and we ended up with half a dozen tankfuls for sod all. Job's a goodun.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/9/2008 6:46 PM
There were earlier and later ones I'm guided by the tyre size This i think was because DKW was the first FWD designer in the 1930,s and they used the wider tyres on the front for traction.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/9/2008 6:49 PM
The Wartburg was incredibly unreliable I believe they were sold at bargain prices helped by Labour to help the East Germans 1976-79

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/9/2008 6:53 PM

The Knight handled adequately in the dry but disastrously in the wet, with a strong instinct for ploughing straight on given the slightest opportunity. For those who wanted to plod, its 76 mph top speed was probably acceptable, but anyone following in the Wartburg's wake would have been choking in a mist of blue oil smoke. Neither was it especially thrifty, returning 28 mpg. As usual for its ilk, its major attraction was price: here was a Cortina-sized car at a Mini-sized price - just £690 in 1970. No longer able to pass emissions tests - and damned for its handling - the Knight disappeared from the UK market in 1977, although it was still offered in East Germany as late as 1985.

As a Guide a Mk 2 Escort cost £1440 in 1975


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/13/2008 2:48 PM
Image:Austin Ambassador Front.JPG
 
It was a question of time before some sadist would revive this memory. The Austin Ambassador.
 
So bad the unions didn't bother about a LHD version; it wouldn't sell. I had one as a company car for while, swapped it for a 2 litre mk5 Cortina and thought I'd gone to heaven. heating never worked nor demisting, engine cut out, gas "hydragas" suspension always collapsing, no p.a.s. on a waggon that size..........
 
One attraction only You got a very big car for your money

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 10/13/2008 7:17 PM
Ok, somebody's guilty here.  It's either Flashman or Jimbert.  Posting that second picture in message #28 -- that is NOT me in the white car!  Flashman, you are highly suspect.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/13/2008 8:46 PM
Who's name's on the post?
 
Don't get upset. I know. You'd have bounced out.

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From: MSN NicknamemajorshrapnelSent: 10/14/2008 10:29 AM
 
With three wheeelers in mind, remember the Scammell Flash?

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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 10/15/2008 8:13 AM
I have seen Jags and so forth, so I know you guys can design good looking cars but were they deliberately trying for ugly on some of those?

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From: MSN NicknamemajorshrapnelSent: 10/15/2008 9:39 AM
Hobbs, I can see what you mean, but what they were aiming for with the Scammell 3 wheeler was practicability. It was a superb machine. The railways used them extensively, for moving luggage and goods about in confined spaces, such as platforms. They could reverse and slot into a trailer, turn about on their own axis and pull a terrific amount of weight for their size. They were a brilliant workhorse. Of course, Scammell are more renowned for their large trucks and have been a mainstay of tank transport in the British army since WW2.
 
I have a friend who owns one of these, this is a Scammell Constructor. Great company.

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