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From: MSN NicknameKahu751  (Original Message)Sent: 4/17/2008 9:26 AM

Russia probes World War 2 buffs for extremism

Reuters | Thursday, 17 April 2008
 
Russian prosecutors are investigating a group of military history enthusiasts for extremism because they staged a World War 2 re-enactment featuring a tank with German army insignia.

Prosecutors say a replica Panzer 38(t) tank, which took part in a mock battle in central Siberia with a World War 2-era black and white cross stencilled on its side, was in breach of a law outlawing Nazi symbols.

The enthusiasts who staged the event say the allegations are absurd and accuse prosecutors of failing to understand the point of a historical re-enactment.

But Vladimir Tokarev, prosecutor for the Novosibirsk region, said: "If today we do not notice a cross on a tank, tomorrow we will be surprised to see that young people have appeared on the streets with swastikas on their sleeves.

"This is precisely why the prosecutor's office has given an instruction . . . to painstakingly check what aims this organisation is pursuing and who it represents."

"We cannot ignore such facts. Nothing can be trifling in this case," he said in remarks posted on his office's website.

The head of the Siberian chapter of the Russian Military History Social Movement, which represents re-enactment enthusiasts, said prosecutors were mounting a witch-hunt.

"To put it mildly, I am indignant. I'm speechless," Oleg Nelzin told Reuters in a telephone interview.

"You shouldn't try to find a crime where one just doesn't exist. The re-enactment movement has nothing to do with skinheads or neo-Nazis . . . The people involved in this are pretty grown-up, level headed and well-off."

"If there is a re-enactment, you need an opponent."

Critics have accused the Kremlin of using anti-extremism laws to stifle dissent since parliament in 2006 adopted new legislation widening the legal definition of extremism.

The Kremlin says it wants to safeguard hard-won political stability from radical groups that seek to sow hatred.

The new extremism legislation was used last year to bring criminal charges against a Russian academic who had written a book that was scathingly critical of President Vladimir Putin.  

 


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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/17/2008 9:42 AM
How would you like to be a history buff here?
 

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From: MSN NicknamejamestrdSent: 4/17/2008 12:40 PM
Strange how after 60+ years, this topic still remains so fresh .it really is a testament to it's significance.However,

I believe the Russians need to examine the internals of their own past regarding the forming of it's own government and it's iron fist ruling it dealt for almost a century.

Not to dispel the tyranny of the nazis and the mass suffering they inflicted t the russian people, but why not impose laws of the same nature against itself?

the Russian revolutions are responsible for more killing of its own people than the Nazis ever inflicted in a state of war.

What was the excuse for the very government not instituting these laws and legislations for itself?

PS..please send over more Russian women.


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From: MSN NicknameHobbs410Sent: 4/19/2008 8:06 AM
I wonder if it was the reenactors putting the NKVD, with MG's to encourage the guys forward that had the state in an uproar?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 4/19/2008 2:07 PM
Pz 38 t was an ultra reliable but undergunned (37mm) Czech capture
 
 
Also used as the Hetzer tank destroyer an 20 mm AA gun. Nothing violently symobolic about it unlike the tiger.

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 4/19/2008 4:11 PM
Has anyone here seen the movie Archangel

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 4/19/2008 11:10 PM
I've read a book called Archangel by Gerald Seymour. About a British businessman who ends up in a Gulag?

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 4/20/2008 12:34 AM
No, this movie is about an American history professor (obsessed with Josef Stalin) who is lecturing in Russia.  He is approached by a stranger who tells him of a secret diary of Stalin's which is buried in Russia.  To make a long story short, the diary is actually that of a young girl who bore Stalin's son.  The son has been raised in a town called Archangel and is waiting to come into his own as the new Stalin.  Stars Daniel Craig.  I found it entertaining.

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From: MSN NicknamejamestrdSent: 4/20/2008 1:18 AM
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Sure that isnt made by TONKA , Flash?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 4/20/2008 1:53 PM
SKODA actually. 3 out of 5 ain't bad. 

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From: MSN NicknameLewWetzel1Sent: 5/28/2008 9:04 AM
I did read that book, it took awhile to get started but it turned into a pretty good read. 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 5/28/2008 1:57 PM
Seymour is an excellent novelist
 
He was a  BBC journalist and served in NI the same year and areas in which PB and I did. So "Harry's Game " and "The Glory Boys " - the latter about Arab terrorists joining with the IRA (not that T-Dog will ever confess that happened) are very realistic to me.

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