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| | From: alendis (Original Message) | Sent: 9/23/2004 4:29 AM |
Just reading the book by Alison Weir, and there's a reference to Cathar heretics. Does anyone know who they were, and what it was about their beliefs that offended the Church? |
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| | From: Lew | Sent: 9/24/2004 5:13 AM |
"The beliefs of the Cathars were so radical that they were hardly Christian at all: they held that there were two Gods, the God of the spiritual world and a God who had created the material world in which the soul was imprisoned. To free their souls, the Cathars tried to give up everything of this world. They did not eat meat, milk, or eggs, abstained from sexual relations, denied the Trinity and renounced the Church." from The Atlas of the Crusades, edited by Johnathan Riley-Smith. Pope Innocent III procalimed a Crusade against them in 1208, it lasted from the spring of 1209-1212. A second was preached and lasted 1213-1229. The Cathar region wasn't conquered until Count Raymond VII sued for peace from King Louis in 1229. Then came the Inquisition, foreign settlers, and the dispossession of the Cathar nobles. The last PURE (Cathar priest) was burned alive shortly thereafter. The Cathars COULD have sex, but only for the purpose of procreation |
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| | From: alendis | Sent: 9/24/2004 7:46 AM |
It's interesting to note that the Cathars were basically modern day vegans in what they could/could not eat. What I don't understand is why not milk?
As for the Crusades, are we talking of the same Crusades that were waged against the Muslims? I always thought the Crusades were soley aimed at the Muslims and fought in the Holy Lands. Or were there multiple crusades at the same time but in different regions waged against different people?
And if the Cathars believed in sex purely for procreation, how was that different from the Church (ie. Catholic Church)'s teaching? |
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Cathrs were one of many groups of men and woman who wanted Chruch reform during the middle ages. They were influenced by the works of the Gospels and their own feeling of dis-location withing the mainline of the Chruch. Often they took more of a gnostic approach to belief, called for reforms and questioned the real belief of the Popes. Many of these groups believed that a radical poverty was to be lived. This was, for them, the real way of the Apostles. This call to poverty was a threat to the establishement who lived a very rich life. One reason Francis of Assisi was so successful in his reform was that he learned a lesson for these early groups and pleadged that the Friars would remain faithful to the Pope and Bishops. Frank |
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