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European History : Consequences of the Irish famine
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From: MSN NicknameKimbaNH  (Original Message)Sent: 2/16/2007 1:38 PM
The consequences of the famine were long lasting. Ireland became a country that the young , poor and hopeful made haste to leave, encouraged by family and friends who had already made a more secure and prosperous life for themselves abroad. The decline in Ireland's population went on and on, into the twenth century. Mass eviction durning and after the famine bred a hatered of the Ascendancy landlords, giving an economic dimension to the coming political struggles. Although a starveing people scarcely stirred when called on to revolt in 1848, revolutionary sentiment revived with the founding of the Fenians, or Irish Republican Brotherhood, who attempted a rising in 1867. This helped to convince the liberal primeminister, Gladstone, that his mission was to"pacify Ireland". Moreover, Irish politicians were beginning to have an impact at Westminister, Reform Acts had given many more people the right to vote-includeing many more Irish people-and the introduction to the secret ballot in 1872 meant that tenants could no longer be intimidated by their landlords. As a result in the 1870's a large group of Nationalist MP's, committed to Home Rule(that is, self-government), appeared in the House Of Commons,led by the coldly brilliant Charles Stewart Parnell, they were able to influence events by holding up the proceedings or political manoeuvring. The Nationalists were all the more effective because of their links with Michael Davitt's Land League, which was stageing rent strikes and boycotts to assert the rights of tenant farmers. Parnell's tortuous relationship with Gladstone encouraged 'the old man' to remedy a number of Irish grievances. Eventually Gladstone was converted to Home Rule, but his attempts to pass it into law led to a split in his own party and founded on the opposition of the House of Lords. A divorce scandal ruined Parnell, leaving the Nationalist in confusion, and the retiremnet of Gladstone was swiftly followed by a series of conservative administrations commited to the union. Their policy, "killing home rule with kindness', effected a quiet social revolution in Ireland by issueing credits that enabled tenants to buy the land they worked from their landlords.Home rule cecame a live issue again after the great Liberal victory of 1906. A constitutional crisis in 1909-11 led to the abolition of the House of Lords' absolute veto, making it possible for the Liberal-Nationalists majority in the House of Commons to secure Home Rule. Protestant hostility had been growing towards the prospect of living in a country with a catholic majority, and there was a particulary unbending mood in the concentrated Protestant communities in Ulster. Fighting talk by the Ulster leader, Edward Carson, was encouraged by the conservative opposition, and arms were illicitly run in for volunteer militias of both persuasions that formed in the North of Dublin. A hostile declaration by British officers at the Curragh raised the possibility that the Army would refuse to obey the government. In this tense situation Home Rule passed and some kind of opt-out for Ulster under consideration, the First World War broke out and the entire problem was shelved.
    Many Irish nationalist backed the campaign for Home Rule conducted by the parliamentary party but groups such as the Irish Republican Brotherhood remained faithful to the revolutionary and separatist tradition. The inconclusive turn of events in 1914 increased their distrust of British intensions. The school teacher -poet Patrick Pearse, and other members of the brotherhood planned to led the Irish volunteers, a nationalist self defensive force, in a revolt against british rule, helped by the Irish citizen Army, a trade union and socialist force led by James Connolly. On the outbreak of war many irishmen had joined the British Army to fight in France, and even in 1916 the general mood in ireland was far from revolutionary. Divisions of opinion within the volunteers led to a confused sequence of orders and cancellations, so that many volunteers failed to turn out on Easter, Monday, 24, 1916. In all of Ireland only a few thousand men -less than two thousand in Dublin- were involved in what became the epic Easter riseing, at noon on the monday, a few dozen men with rifles marched down Sackville St ( now, O'Connell St) and proceeded to take possession of the General post office, a solid spacious classical building in the heart of Dublin. Shortly after, Pearse went outside and proclaimed the setting up of a Provisional Government of the Irish Republic. The GPO was fortified, barricades sealed off the streets, and snipers moved out onto the roofs. Elsewhere in the city, small contingents took up positions in the four courts and other places, ready to oppose any British advance. Failing to realize how small the rebel numbers were, the British reacted cautiously, drafting in troops from other parts of Ireland. Barricades were smashed by artillery fire, and Sackville St. was shelled by, among other things a gunboat on the River Liffey. The insurgents resisted with remarkable determination, even when it was clear that there had been no general rising and hopes of German help had faded. On the fifth day, fires started by incendiary bombs drove the rebels from the GPO. They took refuge in a row of houses nearby but, with the end in sight and civilian lives in danger, Pearse authorized an unconditional surrender. Dubliners showed little sympathy when the prisoners were marched away, and some flung rotten fruit at them. Irish opinion changed when Pearse, Connolly and thirteen others were court martialled and shot;Connolly badly wounded, was executed strapped to a chair. Later Sir Rodger Casement, a former colonial official who had been captured after landing in Ireland from a German U-boat, was tried and hanged. To the British the dead men were traitors, to the Irish they became martyrs. Other developments includeing a mishandled effort to impose conscription on Ireland, swelled the rising tide of republicanism. In December 1918, a hitherto dominent Nationalist party was swept away and , every where outside the North, the Victor was a militantly republican party, Sinn Fein (Ourselves, alone.). It's represenatives refused to take their seats at Westminister, setting up their own assembly and administration in Dublin in definace of the British government. The stage was set for another confrontation.
The stand off between Sinn-Fein and the British Authorities soon led to fighting, the guerrilla campaign waged by Sinn Fein's military wing. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) led to an ever more vicious round of atrocities and reprisals committed by both sides.  The IRA waged a ruthless campaign, but it was British-employed irregulars, nacknamed 'The Black and Tans', who became particulary notorious for uncontrolled violence. After almost three years of conflict and turbulence (1919-1921), both sides recognized the IRA could neither be defeated nor win an outright victory. The treaty digned in December 1921 partioned Ireland. Six counties in the North remained within the United Kingdom;the other twenty-six became the Irish-free state, a self governing domimion that continued to owe allegiance to the Crown. The republican represenatives, including the IRA leader, Michael Collins, had signed reluctantly, believing that they had no option. They were denounced as traitors by one wing of the movement, led by Eamon de Valera. The rejectionists lost the elections that followed, but continuing conflicts esclated into a civil war every bit as bloody ans uncompromising as the fight against the British; among the casualties was Michael Collins, who was assassinated. The government forces won, but for some years bitter feelings persisted and sporadic acts of violence occured.  Even the leaders of Northern Ireland did not expect Partition to be permanent; but the new arrangement proved durable. The North was part of the United Kingdom, but in practice was left to run it's own affairs through it's parliamnet at Stormont. Although it had substancial Catholic and Nationalist minority, Northern Ireland was dominated by Protestant unionists, not only politically but also in terms of Social and economic privileges. Unlike the free State, it was an industrialized area, well known for linen manufactures and ship building. It's standard of living was much higher than that of the South, although it's economy was vulnerable and the Great Depression of the 1930's brought appallingly high unemployement.

   Meanwhile, the Free State was evolving into a very diffrent society. Led by de Valera from 1932, it progressively loosened it's ties with the United Kingdom. In 1937, having acquired a new constitution, Eire (as the country was generally known) became a Republic in all but name; it also gave a special status to the Catholic church as "Guardian of the Faith" Ireland remained neutral durning the second World War, when by contrast, Belfast was heavily bombed. In 1949 it formally became a Republic, furthur distancing itself from Britain by leaving the Commonwealth. For several decades the position remained substantially unchanged. Unionism reigned in the North, where the Nationalists remained quiescent and sporadic action by military useing the old IRA name acheived little. de Valera's vision of a rural, vote with their feet against its economic backwardness. Things began to changes after de Valera's retirement as Taoiseach(Prime Minister)  in 1959, and for both Ireland's the 1960's would prove to be a watershed.

 

 


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From: MSN NicknameKimbaNHSent: 2/26/2007 12:07 AM

They say an Englishman laughs three times at a joke.  The first time when everybody gets it, the second a week later when he thinks he gets it, the third time a month later when somebody explains it to him.   


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 2/26/2007 4:20 PM
Kim, yes?
Glad they got it..........I think............Look, run that past me again
 
You say, "A Dubliner, A Cork man, and a girl from County Cavan".  Which English colonies are those, please?

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From: MSN NicknameKimbaNHSent: 2/27/2007 2:04 PM
Flash,
           You can't expect me to answer with such brief information, now what year were you refering to my lad? 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 2/27/2007 10:12 PM
Lets run with 2008, shall we?
You are few and my name is Legion.
Frankish Flash

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 2/27/2007 10:14 PM
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"My Lad?"
I am 58, massive, oleaginous, and intolerable.
 
"Vileness" I like.
You want "My Lad", try the fairies on HU. They's love it.

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From: MSN NicknameKimbaNHSent: 2/28/2007 4:16 AM
 
PS
"My Lad?"
I am 58, massive, oleaginous, and intolerable.
Flash, you could of saved yourself all that typing and just said you were English...
 
for your question....
 
You say, "A Dubliner, A Cork man, and a girl from County Cavan".  Which English colonies are those, please?
 
Well did not say naught about a Dubliner, or a girl from County Cavan so the year is irrelvant.
 
but...Co. Cavan is not part of NI and part of Ireland. So... the old Irish county would still have been Co. Cavan  where some of the original villages were settled by the English when they tried to plant their Flag...

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 2/28/2007 4:49 PM
"Flash, you could of saved yourself all that typing and just said you were English..."
 
Scots German actually, with a tiny bit of Danish, and listen, Goldilocks, I don't have a rouind yellow pop-eyed moon-face like that one there. 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashspawn8Sent: 2/28/2007 5:05 PM
Yes, but do remind us Flash - what is your wife's maiden name?

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From: MSN NicknameKimbaNHSent: 3/1/2007 1:34 PM
Scots German actually, with a tiny bit of Danish, and listen, Goldilocks, I don't have a rouind yellow pop-eyed moon-face like that one there. 
 
 
LOL, I'm just joking with ya and you know that, have to laugh once in awhile. 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/1/2007 4:21 PM
#50
 
 
De amazin' Winnie mandela
 
  Amazin' Minority rule, OK?
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashspawn8Sent: 3/1/2007 4:50 PM
In fact I'm sure your wife's maiden name begins with "O'" and ends with "Neill" doesn't it? 
 
Now from what country does that name originate I wonder?!!!!

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 3/1/2007 11:36 PM
I did keep an O'Neill wife, yes, a County Down O'Neill, but they were a sad disappointment. Father in law wouldn't change religion, and brothers in Law too bloody feeble to keep the Plantations well coppiced. So I sacked her. why?
 
Got fed up with yelling to herself, "Pass me another brother in Law, the last one's split!!" twice a day, with the hedges looking so untidy, so I sent them to London to become Doctors. You know, the old line, "Surgeon heal thyself", so when they split again........
 
Anyway. 

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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/7/2008 9:06 AM
The Fungus That Conquered Europe
By JOHN READER
Published: March 17, 2008
London

THE feast of Ireland’s patron saint has always been an occasion for saluting the beautiful land “where the praties grow,�?but it’s also a time to look again at the disaster that established around the world the Irish communities that today celebrate St. Patrick’s Day: the Great Potato Famine of 1845-6. In its wake, the Irish left the old country, with more than half a million settling in United States. The famine and the migrations changed Irish and American history, of course, but they drastically changed Britain too.

Americans may think of the disease that destroyed Ireland’s potato crops, late blight, as a European phenomenon, but its devastations actually started with them. The origin of the fungal organism responsible, Phytophthora infestans, has been traced to a valley in the highlands of central Mexico, and the first recorded instances of the disease are in the United States, with the sudden and mysterious destruction of potato crops around Philadelphia and New York in early 1843. Within months, winds spread the rapidly reproducing airborne spores of the disease, and by 1845 it had destroyed potato crops from Illinois east to Nova Scotia, and from Virginia north to Ontario.

It then crossed the Atlantic with a shipment of seed potatoes ordered by Belgian farmers. They had been hoping that fresh stock would improve their yields. Unhappily, it brought the seeds of devastation.

The warm damp spring of 1845 enabled late blight to become an epidemic. By mid-July, the disease had spread throughout Belgium and into the Netherlands. It went on to infect an area from northern Spain to the southern tips of Norway and Sweden, and east to Northern Italy. It moved inexorably through the British Isles and reached Connemara, on Ireland’s west coast, in mid-October. The ruin of Europe’s potato crops was complete.

Nothing like it had been known before. Neither the Vandal hordes nor the bubonic plague had penetrated Europe so deeply and so fast. The failure of the crop was a disaster for every farmer, market gardener and family in Europe that relied on potatoes. Few were unaffected; in Ireland, a population that in 250 years had grown from one million to more than eight million, solely because of the potato’s unrivaled quality as a staple food, was threatened with starvation.

The first intimations of Ireland’s looming calamity reached the British government in August 1845. Although Britain was responsible for the social and economic iniquities which had made Ireland so susceptible, the government of the day deserves some credit for its efforts to avert mass starvation. There were political as well as logistical difficulties.

The Conservative prime minister, Sir Robert Peel, without seeking the approval of either cabinet or Parliament, authorized the banker Sir Thomas Baring to secretly buy £100,000 of American maize for shipment to Ireland. But before any official relief program could proceed there was a political obstacle to overcome: Britain’s Corn Laws, which imposed exorbitant duties on imported grain to ensure that it could never be cheaper than home-grown produce.

To Peel it was obvious that the Corn Laws would have to go, but his electorate of large landowners was vehemently opposed to their abolition. The Duke of Wellington, leader of the House of Lords, complained that Ireland’s “rotten potatoes have done it all �?they put Peel in his damned fright.�?Peel drew heavily on the news from Ireland as he urged Parliament to vote for abolition:

“Are you to hesitate in averting famine which may come, because it possibly may not come? Are you to look to and depend upon chance in such an extremity? Or, good God! are you to sit in cabinet, and consider and calculate how much diarrhea, and bloody flux, and dysentery, a people can bear before it becomes necessary for you to provide them with food?�?BR>
The bill abolishing the Corn Laws was passed in May 1846 in the House of Commons, with two-thirds of Peel’s party voting against it and the entire opposition voting in favor. A month later, Peel was out of office.

As it turned out, far from Britain being flooded with cheap wheat, within weeks of the abolition the price of grain had reached heights rarely seen before. Speculation was rife, with dealers buying grain futures at two and three times the price of a few months before, draining the country’s gold reserves and eventually threatening the stability of the Bank of England itself.

Then, as fate would have it, the summer of 1847 brought news that Ireland’s potato crop, though small, was doing well. The grain harvests also promised to be exceptionally good. Prices tumbled just as the grain bought months before at inflated rates began arriving in the ports.

Dealers who had gambled on high prices now found themselves unable to recoup their investments. Twenty major grain trading companies were brought down in September with total liabilities approaching £10 million. An additional 99 trading and related firms collapsed in October as the crisis spread, bringing down 11 country banks and three of the biggest in Liverpool.

The London banks, though, survived and went on to prosperity, for Ireland’s famine, by ending the Corn Laws, prompted the beginning of the free trade that established the success of Britain’s industrial economy. Still, the banking crisis had such an impact on the British mind-set that it is the benchmark against which commentators compare subsequent banking problems.

Not since the 1840s have we seen anything like this, they declared as the Bank of England stepped in last year to save the Northern Rock bank from a collapse caused by the subprime mortgage debacle �?another American-born infection. At least our potatoes are safe.

John Reader is the author, most recently, of the forthcoming “Propitious Esculent: The Potato in World History.�?BR>

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 4/12/2008 7:52 PM
You will note Kahu's excellent point it is the American nation which started the potato blight
 
This was because they wanted to destroy the English King Edward potato as being of far better quality (like all things British) than their own rubbish, and besides which, they could only grow the Kentucky fried variety, which took the slaves months to pick the mud off them and separate from the chicken.
 
At the same time the Colonel Saunders mafia wanted to contaminate the Desiree variety to change the name from French fried to Southern fried. 
 
So, American agents ran riot around Europe, spreading contamination in spore-infested Family Feast cartons, and stealing the prized Irish family recipes for boiled potatoes. 
 
A little known but truly disgusting episode in American history.   

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