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European History : Armorial Heralds
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From: MSN NicknameAntoninus-  (Original Message)Sent: 6/29/2008 5:19 PM
The start of heraldry in europe is from the shields used on the battle field , symbols placed upon shields where at first used to identify the bearer
once they had proved them selves worthy in victory they claimed this as their own and adopted the pattern for future use e.g ( jousting torneys
of early chivalry ) I have seen hundreds if shields in modern heraldry it is great to see such a clear evolution of documented history
I am now searching for my family shield and how it was created , The Byron shield i have traced back to colwick in Nottingham
 
If you have any information on this subject please comment
 
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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 6/29/2008 7:27 PM
That is of course the Arms of the Lords Byron, including the famous poet George Gordon, 6th Baron Byron. The family seat was Newstead Abbey in Nottinghamshire. Presumably you're related to that family ?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/30/2008 12:33 AM
Antoninus
Welcome to History page and I apologise for the delay in welcoming you. Just can't get the staff these day, don't you know?
 
Heraldry is as old as man's vanity. Take Germany where they have a higher proportion of aristocrats compared with us since each pre-unification state had its own set of aristocracy and more layers, such as Count we  don't have.
 
For example, at the Battle of The Standard, 10,000 knights fought each other. Now, that's 10,000 armigerous families. 800 years ago when England had a population of what? (Gussing here). 11/2 milliuon? That is one in 150 with aristocratic blood.
 
You say "family shield". Do you have an express grant from the College of Arms to prove your family is armigerous? Or are you more concerned with a general representative coat of arms. Do you have crest, supporters, motto, and insignia? 
 
Just a few comments. very vague very thin. What about you? Where are you living?
 
Cheers
 
Peter

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From: MSN NicknameAntoninus-Sent: 6/30/2008 6:51 PM
Mark thank you for the message , I am only related in name as far as i know
Newstead Abby is on my list of places to vist

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From: MSN NicknameAntoninus-Sent: 6/30/2008 7:22 PM
Flashman (Peter)thank you for the responce it has me thinking , interesting stats mind , as to the grant of arms by the college of arms is a thought yes , i have gone the other way searching
historical evidence and even with help from them (somerset herald)

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFlashman191</NOBR> Sent: 30/06/2008 22:16
Noting your name
 
Salve O Antonine!
Meus pater proximus vallum Hadrianius natus est, et sui pater proximus vallum Antoninus natus est, proximae Urbum Caledonium Inverness appellatus est.
 
And how's that for showing off! my case endings probably all to cock.
 

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