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| | From: BIGSNOWBIRD1 (Original Message) | Sent: 12/7/2008 11:08 PM |
Sunday Dec. 7, 1941 Japan launches a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor in the Waqaiian Islands. The attack brought the US into the 2nd world war. A sleeping iger ad been woken. The politics of the war have been discussed here on other occassions. The men and women that fought the war were from a special generation. Perhaps if we held white sales or bric a brack sales the men and ladies would get more attention. They are all allmost gone now. |
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101 well its about time you updated your navy..finally scrapping your Town class? |
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Flash,, dont know much of the rail gun... heres a vid clip of it but i do recall another discussion of it.. I had confused it with this weapon..its called Metal Strom.. check this video clip of it.. 1 million rounds a minute.. |
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Yes Dahlgren Guns. Nothing changes. |
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Looks to me James as if your metal storm is a copy (much improved) of this | H&K G 11 designed 1990 with self combustible cartridge cases Thrown out because of reunification costs. The pistoI grip is ideally placed very close to the center of gravity of the weapon which reduces the weight that would be placed on the supporting arm holding the front of the weapon. This then guarantees quick readiness to shoot in any position. The trigger group contains the trigger mechanism, the safety mechanism, and the selective fire indicator that can be switched from safe to single shot to three round burst to fully automatic. The burst mechanism fires at greater than 2000 rounds per minute, and the normal automatic rate of fire is approximately 600 rounds per minute. The magazine positioned parallel to the bore axis above the handguard is taken out toward the muzzle for reloading. It is spring driven, single-stacked and holds 50 cartridges. The approximate number of cartridges is visible from the outside even when the weapon is ready to fire. The magazine can be manually reloaded with individual cartridges or directly from the packing unit, which can be used as a loading device. Technical data Designation | G11 Rifle | Caliber | 4.7 mm (.185 inch) | Type of cartridge | caseless | Length of weapon | 750 mm (29.5 inch) | Width of weapon | 58 mm (partially 65 mm) | Height of weapon | 290 mm (11.4 inch) | Weight of weapon including 100 cartridges | 3.6 kg (7.9 lbs) 4.3 kg (9.5 lbs) | Barrel length without chamber | 540 mm (21.3 inch) | Muzzle twist | 155 mm/twist (6.10 inch/twist) | Bore profile | polygon The mag is forward of the optical sight and the ammunition is stacked vetically nose down. It rotates 90 deg before firing The graphical representation of the bolt | I think is streets ahead of the HK 7 . But I do have a warm feeling for the trapdoor Springfield | | Reply
| | Contrary to the round cartridge cases, the geometry of the propellant body is rectangular so that wasted space which was previously unavoidable when the cartridges were placed in magazines or packages has been eliminated. Moreover, the friction which exists in conventional magazines between the individual cartridges and the walls of the magazine no longer exists. It is not uncommon for this friction to be the main cause of malfunctions in conventional weapons. The smaller dimensions of the cartridge ensure reduced packing volume and high magazine capacity. The elimination of the case reduces the cartridge weight considerably. The high rate of fire is possible in the 3-round burst due to the combination of a short cartridge and a minimal feed distance. | | I posted this on HWP "10 best weapons" but I have been thrown off by bum MSN password and e-mail codes Incidentally I haved waited a week to be reinstated will you email their managers AND ASK TO REINSTATE ME AGAIN.? TinCan and others had same problem on HP. |
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I dont think the concept is the same.. no cartirdges or moving parts in Metal Storm.. what I would be concerend with , is if it uses electornic ignitions, so to me, it seems it could be disables with counter meaures of some sort. But as in anything, it would take time and resource to develop these counter measures, than they would have to be made portable enough to accompnay troops, and then , enemy must be aware of where the guns are and being used.. Not such an easy task.. seems to be an awesome weapon though.. |
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Go check the MS Video again the ammunition looks like caseless stuff as above. If you are using kilojoules your ECM must be astronomic so I'd say no you're safe from that |
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Go to the video 2min 25 secs (approx) it says quite clearly the moving parts are the projectiles IGNITED and travelling down the barrel. So they are a chemical not electrical propelled force. As the German one. The advantage in both cases is no mag or no belt no firing pin no extractor no ejector.. But you need multi barrel for quantity |
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Flash, the video says the gun uses electronic pulse as ignition..nothing about chemical.. |
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Ignition yes, like vedette used to sell an electronically primed shotgun and in WW2 German MG FFs and MG 105s were electronically primed. Why? easier to synchronise through propellor firing. But look again you can see muzzle flash and smoke. And also, r.o.f of 1 million. Yes, but where are you storing those 1 million rounds? Yer man there was quoting 9mm. 1 NATO 9mm bullet = .28 oz I million weighs 287,356 oz = 17,959 lb = 8 tons. Yes he also quoted 40mm grenades, I doubt the same ROF You see theoretical rates are being quoted as actual or what we are saying is maybe that gun will discharge an A10's munitions in 1 minute. Return to the electronic discharge. The guy showed you a pistol. If that is some kind of rail gun, where's the X Kilojopules (or whatever) electrical generation? So my theory is there must be some kind of containment system which the guy is keeping quiet about. And some sort of cooling. |
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FROM THE ASHES USS New York
It was built with 24 tons of scrap steel from the World Trade Center .
It is the fifth in a new class of warship - designed for missions that include special operations against terrorists. It will carry a crew of 360 sailors and 700 combat-ready Marines to be delivered ashore by helicopters and assault craft.
Steel from the World Trade Center was melted down in a foundry in Amite , LA to cast the ship's bow section. When it was poured into the molds on Sept 9, 2003, 'those big rough steelworkers treated it with total reverence,' recalled Navy Capt. Kevin Wensing, who was there. 'It was a spiritual moment for everybody there.'
Junior Chavers, foundry operations manager, said that when the trade center steel first arrived, he touched it with his hand and the 'hair on my neck stood up.' 'It had a big meaning to it for all of us,' he said. 'They knocked us down. They can't keep us down. We're going to be back.'
The ship's motto? 'Never Forget'
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Beautiful looking ship close up. Best of luck to her and her complement |
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I just cannot stand seeing this page sit here unattended for 24 hours So BUMP |
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crickets are chirping huh flash? |
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No I can just hear the rustle of grass and the scrape of steel as my site heroes creep up. |
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