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I remember you guys discussing the Spruce Goose once, but I don't remember if you mentioned the plane in the top photo here. It's British and was developed in 1949. The middle photo is the Spruce Goose and bottom photo is the Boeing 747. What is the top photo? |
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 - Crew: 5
- Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
- Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1 in)
- Height: 6.7 m (21 ft)
- Wing area: 101.5 m² (1,092 ft²)
- Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,000 lb)
- Loaded weight: 31,000 kg (68,340 lb)
- Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 610 (twin DB 605) 24-cylinder liquid-cooled inline engines, 2,950 hp (2,170 kW) each
Performance Armament Usual configuration: - 48 x 70 kg bombs (3,360 kg/7,405 lb total)
- 10 x 500 kg bombs (5,000 kg/11,020 lb total)
- 6 x 1000 kg bombs (6,000 kg/11,224 lb total)
- 2 x 2500 kg bombs (5,000 kg/ 1,020 lb total)
or - 2 Hs 293 + 1 Hs293 remotely controlled missiles under the fuselage
- 2 Hs 294 + 1 Hs 294 remotely controlled glide bombs under the fuselage
- 2 PC 1400 + 1 PC 1400 gliding bomb under the fuselage
- 2 torpedoes + 2 torpedoes under the fuselage
That's the bare bones Vance. Bloody well armed, but the main problem was the coupled engine (2 in 1 nacelle) gave a lot of overheating. The later ones when all the problems were ironed out proved to be very rugged and relable, just like the B29. The 277 with 4 nacelles was better but too late. I would post some other stuff on your site but it appears Flattop disapproves of posting pix Why? |
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| AMERIKA BOMBERS ME 264 (FW) TA 400 JU 390 ME 264 TA 400 JU 390 Crew 8 6 10 Empty/Take off 21.15/56.00 ?? / 60.00 39.5/75.00 Weights Power 4 (later 6) 6 x 1700HP 6 x 1730 HP 1,730 HP Cruise/Max MPH 217/350 ??/343 ?? 314 Range 9,500 4,860 6,030 Bombload (Tons) 3.00 10.00 ? Defensive 20mm 2 10 3 Armament 15/13mm 4 5 Turrets 3 5 7 FW/TA 400 was a paper exercise only Ju 390 allegedly flew within 12 miles of New York. it was possibly to be a nuclear delivery aircraft. A last word about the Me264. When this was recognised there appeared to be a lot of design cues from the B29; remote turrets strengthened undercarriage points nose-wheel. Note the favoured paddle prop compared with US Hamilton 4 blade constant speeds. Present from History page. Enjoy. | |
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#52 dumped onto WW2 site, hence last line. |
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AMERIKA BOMBERS COMPARED WITH B29 (RED) JU 390 ME 264 TA 400 JU 390 B29 Crew 8 6 10 11 Empty/Take off 21.15/56.00 ?? / 60.00 39.5/75.00 33.00/60.00 Weights Power 4 (later 6) 6 x 1700HP 6 x 1730 HP 1,730 HP 4 x 2200 HP Cruise/Max MPH 217/350 ??/343 ?? 314 220/357 Range 9,500 4,860 6,030 3,250 Bombload (Tons) 3.00 10.00 ? 9.00 Defensive 20mm 2 10 3 1 Armament 15/13mm 4 5 12x.5 Turrets 3 5 7 5 | |
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51 I would hope they wouldnt consider sending over a balloon to bomb the US |
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James if you have a quick look at the new thread, that might give you some info. |
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AS PROMISED FLASH. After the successful introduction of the CH-118 Iroquois helicopter into CF service, a major improvement of the basic Bell model 204/205 was undertaken starting in 1968 on behalf of the US military. The uprated helicopter was based around the installation of the Canadian developed Pratt & Whitney PT-6T Twin-Pac power plant. This involved two of the Canadian company's PT-6A turboshaft engines coupled to a common gear box which resulted in a significant increase in installed thrust with the benefit of enhanced twin-engine reliability. The Twin Huey development warranted a new model designation, and the 212 versions or UH-1N, as it was known in the US military,proved to be highly successful. The CF recognized the potential of this new helicopter and ordered 50 Twin Hueys for general utility duties in support of Canadian land forces. The Twin Hueys were primarily flown in tactical aviation roles and were painted and equipped accordingly. The exception were three Twin Hueys which were devoted to Base Rescue Flight duties in Goose Bay, Labrador. Twin Hueys served with distinction in a wide variety of CF roles & missions. | Manufacturer: | Bell Helicopter Textron | | Crew/Passengers: | 2 pilots & 1 Flight Engineer plus up to 13 passengers | | Power Plant: | one 1250 shp Pratt & Whitney T400-CP-400Twin-Pac turboshaft engine | | Performance: | Max Speed: 127 mph ( 204 km/h) Hover Ceiling: 9,300 ft ( 2,835 m)
Service Ceiling: 17,300 ft ( 5,273m) Range: 286 miles ( 460 km) | | Weights: | Empty: 6,000 lb ( 2,722 kg) Gross: 10,000 lb ( 4,536 kg) | | Dimensions: | Rotor Dia: 48 ft 2 1/2 in ( 14.69 m) Length: 57 ft 0 in ( 17.37 m)
Height: 14 ft 4 3/4 in ( 4.39 m) | | Armament: | Provisions for door-mounted 7.62 mm machine guns & two 19-tube CRV-7 rocket launchers | | 
| Unknown | BELL CH-I35 TWIN HUEY |
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THIS ONE FLASH IS SPORTING A MINI TAT SYSTEM AND WIRE CUTTERS. CH-136 |
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Thanks PBA what your twin Huey is then is a coupled engine; Germans tried that with the Heinkel 177 Grief (Griffin) haf a lot of problems 'till they reverted to separate nacelles. Still that's 60 years ago. - 2 Hs 293 + 1 Hs293 remotely controlled missiles under the fuselage
- 2 Hs 294 + 1 Hs 294 remotely controlled glide bombs under the fuselage
- 2 PC 1400 + 1 PC 1400 gliding bomb under the fuselage
- 2 torpedoes + 2 torpedoes under the fuselage
He 277 |
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Ottawa Citizen This particular 403 Squadron Aircraft has been fitted with the Mini- Tat GAU-2B/A 7.62mm Aircraft machine gun which it is firing at the ranges in CFB ...communities.canada.com/.../archive/2008/<WBR>02/13/unanswered-questions-on-griffons-and-miniguns.aspx - 56k - <NOBR> Cached - Similar pages</NOBR> | Yes I had to pop into Google to see mini TAT and I have to assume it's retractable. Are those skids at 90deg or is that my eyesight.? Now, 7.62weighs 17lb/200 rd. That GUA can fire 6000 rpm. = 510 lb/minute which is the weight of 2 crewmen. No wonder you've got twin engines. |
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Correction, 2-4000 rpm: 170-340 lbs-min. According to The Man, the entire back sesting of the Huey is taken up with stowage and feed mechanisms. So that Huey is a gunship. Is the Cobra redundant then? BTW in my next life I'm going to apply to be a PBA. I was rejected for the job of Sioux door gunner.Or was it Alouette? 1975, when choppers became sexy. reason; Cpls only. |
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THE MINI WAS ELECTRONICALLY RETRACTED FLASH. IT COULD STILL BE SERVICED WHEN RETRACTED. ON THE RANGES IT WOULD ONLY HOVER ROUGHLY 20 FEET OFF THE GROUND WHEN FIREING. WHEN BEING SERVICED ON THE GROUND AND DURING RELOADING A DEVISE WAS USED OVER THE BARRELS IN CASE OF COOK OFFS WHICH WOULD TRAP THE ROUNDS IF IT FIRED.. IF I CAN REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS CALLED A TRAP. THE RDS WERE KEEP IN A HOPPER OR BIN IN THE BACK SEAT AND WERE FEED TO THE GUN BY A METAL GUIDE RAIL SYSTEM. THE SKIDS ARE AT A SLIGHT ANGLE OUT AND ACTUALLY SPREAD APART A LITTLE FURTHER ON LANDING WHICH WILL ABSORB A LITTLE OF THE WEIGHT. THIS SPREAD IS CONTINUALLY MONITORS BY THE A/F TECHS. WE ALSO USE TO RIG ONE UP WITH FLOATS. THE HUEY WERE USED MAINLY AS TROOP CARRIERS BEING ABLE TO CARRY A SECTION OF MEN. THEY WERE ALSO USED AS HEAVY LEFT AND COULD PICK UP AND RE-DEPLOY A 105MM HOWITZER. I HAD TO SMILE ONE DAY BECAUSE DURING THE TIME ONE OF THESE 105'S WAS BEING MOVED THE PILOT WAS GETTING A BAD VIBRATION AND ENDED UP PICKLEING THE LOAD.(DROPPING THE LOAD) IT DIDN'T LOOK TOO BAD FROM THE THE AIR BUT ON A CLOSER LOOK THE GUN WAS TOAST. THAT EVENING WHILE CHATTING WITH SOME OF THE PILOTS THE PILOT THAT HAD DROPPED IT APPROACHED. I SAID AS NOT TO NOTICE HIM THAT THE ARTILLERY BOYS WERE REALLY PISSED OFF THAT SOMEONE HAD DROPPED THEIR GUN AND WERE LOOKING FOR WHO HAD EVER DONE IT. THE OTHER PILOTS PLAYED A LONG AND ASKED WHY WERE THEY SO MAD. I SAID BECAUSE THAT GUN WAS THE REGTIMENTS MASCOTT AND THAT THEY DON'T EVEN LET PRIVATES TOUCH IT. YOU COULD SEE THE COLOUR DRAIN OUT OF THE POOR YOUNG PILOTS FACE. HE DID DO THE RIGHT THINK THOUGH. THE CH-I36 PIC HAS THE TOP WIRE CUTTER INSTALLED SO MUST BE AN EARLY PICTURE. THE WIRE CUTTER WAS MEANT TO CUT ANY WIRES OR CABLE BEFORE THE RODE UP OR DOWN ON THE AC. IF THEY WENT UP THEN THEY WOULD MAKE CONTACT WITH THE BLADES. IF THE CABLE OR WIRE WENT DOWN THEM IT WOULD CATCH THE SKIDS AND FLIP. THEY DID WORK AS A YOUNG PILOT OF OURS FOUND OUT WHILE TRAINING IN FORT CAMPBELL. IT STILL TOOK HIS WIND SCREEN OUT. ON FAMILY DAY FLASH THEY WOULD TAKE THE FAMILIES UP FOR SHORT RIDES IN BOTH HELICOPTERS. MY PARENTS, SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW AND BOTH KIDS ALL USE TO ENJOY DOING IT EACH YEAR. MY MOTHER AND SISTER WERE A LITTLE UN-NERVED BECAUSE THEY USE TO REMOVE THE SIDE DOORS AND THEY ENDED UP SITTING AND FACING OUT THE OPEN DOOR. I DID A LOT OF REPELLING FROM HUEYS IN PREPARATION FOR SECURITY AT THE 76 OLYPMIC GAMES IN MONTREAL. YOU HAVE TO KEEP SAYING TO YOURSELF CHECK ROPE INCASE THE HELICOPTER HAS LIFTED HIGHER AND YOU RUN OUT OF ROPE. (USUALLY ON WINDY DAYS) ONE YOUNG OFFICER WITH US FORGOT THAT BASIC RULE WHEN COMING DOWN ONTO THE HANGAR ROOF AT CFB UPLANDS WHILE TRAINING. HE DROPPED THE LAST 20FEET AND BROKE BOTH LEGS. YOU STEP OUT AND STAND ON THE SKIDS FLASH BEFORE YOU PUSH OFF. |
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Great account PBA! I rememebr abseiling (is that the same as rappelling?) from whirlwinds; I was the GPMG/LMG gunner on my OTC days. I think you slung the gun across your chest and used your forarms to pin it in. I was shoved aside as Crown Prince Kafaru of Hicksville Nigeria comes running past me and jumps. Lost the skin of both palms by the time he hit the deck. He thought at his court martial it would be fun. |
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