Well, I'll have to wait for the answer, that's for sure.

24 hours, Gents.

Cheap looking, crude construction, must be Chinese.

 

T-Dog

Looks like a cheap copy of the M60

Jimbert

 

 

Good one JimBert.

It was the experimental T44 MG, a forerunner of the M60.

 

Modern Firearms - M60 M60E3 M60E4 machine gun

The .30-06 T44 experimental machine gun, which combined design of FG 42 rifle and feed system of MG 42 machine gun. The T44 served as a first step in ...

 

 

Clue. Copied by the Pedersen device. What is this carbine?

Its a Savage of some type?

Clue number 2

Made 1898 by the same makers of the first Prussian bolt action rifle.

 

But what's interesting is the Pedersen device linkage.

 

Here's a pic of the Pedersen as fitted to the 1903 Springfield 

 

 

OK I am not asking about the Pedersen, but about the first item

"An official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time" Ralphie wants a BB Gun for Christmas, but his mother, the teacher, and even Santa give him a hard time. "You'll shoot your eye out kid!" This tale is the main storyline in the movie "A Christmas Story"

Daisy Website If that's what Lew #9 mistakes for my #1. I suggest he gives his leetle paw a rest. 1:20 vision?

Sorry I mean my#8. not that hand shandy king lew can tell........

The first weapon #8 is the 1898 Dreyse. it preceded the Pedersen by fitting a 7.63 (.32ACP equivalent ) Browning blowback pistol mechanism into the receiver and chamber and bolt recesses. Cocking was by jerking back the big horzontal block, and feed was via the mag you can see protruding below the  receiver. An oval hole was milled for ejection. This gave a self-loading capability and like the later broomhandle mausers with stocks was intended to give firepower while fighting in trenches.

 

The Pedersen device below was invented for the same purpose, note massive vertical 40 rd .32 Colt APC mag. It was built round the 1903 Springfield, and as with the Dreyse, the weapon could be converted back to a full power rifle. produced in 1917, it came too late and was witheld by the government as a top secret weapon.  

It was offered to the Bolsheviks who rejected it for the weakness of the .32 rd. It was overtaken by the BAR and Thompson which were not offered to the Bolsheviks.