Does SAAB have a role in the world of jet fighters?

Swedish Jet Fighters

Interesting comparison of the F-86 & the Mig 15 on the military channel the other day.   As our esteemed Flash has pointed out numerous times the jet engine in the Mig was a gift of the Brits when they & the Soviets were still allies.   But that engine was copied & improved by the Soviets by the time the Korean War errupted.   The engine in the Harrier the U.S.  uses is not the original Brit one either.

 

T-Dog

Larry Bell built the Aircobra (piston aircraft)  in his plant in Buffalo during the war.   My mother worked at that plant.   Curtis Wright had a plant there too.

 

T-Dog

Saw an interview with the pilot that flew the ME 262 out of germany to England after the war was over. it provided the allies with lots of useful info.

I read a book many years ago on the 262 development. It was a very short lived career for most

Since you have very wide posts again, i cannot find the question.

 

SAAB yes, SAAB Draken And Viggen very good aircraft, only sold to Sweden by law. Swedish design parameters like must fit into road tunnels.

 

 

 

 

Top one Viggen (tufted duck) Bottom Draken.Names have been kept for 30 years.

Above was in answer to PD Quest #13.

 

Incidentally, i try always to answer miliotaria questions so if you'rer missing an answwer, give me a shout on General or whatever.

 

Tiger's complaint about excessive cartoons and, logically, prints, has been noted and rejected.

JimBert

Thought this might fit with your thread.

 

 

In 1969 two ex-Iraqi MiG-17s transferred from Israeli stocks were added to the operation and it was renamed Have Drill. These aircraft were given US designations and fake serial numbers so that they may be identified in DOD standard flight logs. At least one more MIG-21 was captured in Vietnam and a MiG-25 flown by defector Soviet Pilot Viktor Belenko was turned over but had to be sent back. In May 1973, Project Have Idea was formed which took over from the older Have Donut, Have Ferry and Have Drill projects. In July 1975, the 4477th TEF (“Red Eagles�? was formed at Nellis AFB and in December 1977 the 6513th Test Squadron (“Red Hats�? was formed at Edwards AFB to continue testing these craft. Some aggressor training was done where the units went head to head against USAF fighters in mock dogfights at this time to find out and exploit possible weaknesses.

In 1980 the 4477th TEF was made a full-fledged squadron and the operation was renamed again to Constant Peg. It developed realistic combat training operations featuring adversary tactics, dissimilar air combat training, and electronic warfare. Over the years more aircraft were acquired until they numbered about two dozen including ultra modern MiG-23s (designated YF-113s). Egypt was thought to turn over a number of un-needed MiGs but planes kept coming in from other sources as well. No less than three Cuban pilots brought their MiGs to Florida. A number of Chinese made MiGs were purchased outright from China via the front company Combat Core Certification Professionals Company (CCCP!) and imported in crates. Three Syrians flew their MiG-23 and MiG-29s to Turkey in 1988 followed by Soviet Captain Alexander Zuyev in 1989. The first thing Captian Zuyev said after stepping out of the cockpit of his MiG-29 was that: "I'll be an American!"

The American flyers of these aircraft had to contend with un-maintainable and mysterious planes as they had no spare parts or technical manuals available. Ground crews had to resort to reverse engineering aircraft components and manufacturing them from raw materials just to keep them in the air. US pilots found out first hand how dangerous these aircraft were and two lost their lives in catastrophic crashes. They did, however, learn the strengths and weakness of the Warsaw Pact's fast movers and this information would prove to be invaluable to NATO fliers in any sort of East/West engagement. This was proven in air to air combat every time these Soviet Cold War era aircraft have been encountered in Iraq, Libya, Angola and elsewhere

A couple of German examples.

Jimbert

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, Jimbert, aren't those rocket propelled? Hence no air intakes? (like my Triumph Bonneville)

Ref # 21. The top picture looks like one of the Thunderbirds aircraft, the big green one.

Well blow me down! And there I was thinking it was the pearl of Nazi research.

 

I'll never be rude about Thunderbirds again.

 

BTW do you remember the space ship Anastasia in Dan Dare? That was based on existing German WW2 technology.

 

 

And this was Digby, Intergalactic fruit.