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From: MSN Nicknamezackzwerling1  (Original Message)Sent: 6/1/2008 7:26 PM
Hers one for you Flash...I recall you having an admisration of shotguns or a discussion on them.One of the  latest additons to US Arsenal. Supposledy made of 7 types of steel, never needs cleanin(yes, said never) and has something like over 40 different types of rounds it can fire, including grenade shells... extremely accurate and has an innovative firing mechanism that removes recoil and displaces it to the the bottom of the  rifle instead of throough it...Agaian, featured on Futureweapons
 
 
 
Current production AA-12 shotguns
image: Soldier of Fortune magazine

  Atchisson assault shotgun, 1972 AA-12, 2006
Type selective fire, blowback operated selective fire, gas operated, locked breech
Gauge 12 (2 3/4" Magnum) 12 (2 3/4" Magnum)
Length 991 mm 966 mm
Barrel length 457 mm 457 mm
Weight 5.2 kg less magazine
7.3 kg with loaded 20-round drum
4.76 kg less magazine
Capacity 5 rounds in box or 20 rounds in drum magazines 8 rounds in box or 20 rounds in drum magazines
Rate of fire, cyclic 360 rounds per minute  rounds per minute

American gun designer Maxwell Atchisson developed his first selective fire shotgun by 1972. This weapon was intended for close combat in environments like city streets or jungles. It was to provide tremendous short range firepower for troops during ambushes, room clearance operations and other such combat situations. First prototypes were rather simple in design and used certain components of existing weapons. These were also highly unusual in that Atchisson used most unusual (for shotgun) method of operation - simple blowback with advanced primer ignition. This shotgun fired from open bolt, and had rather heavy (1,4kg) bolt. Firing pin was movably built into bolt along with the internal pivot lever that caused the firing pin to extend and ignite the cartridge just prior to full bolt closure. To reduce peak recoil and cyclic rate of fire, Atchisson used extra-long recoil system, in which bolt after each shot recoils much further back than it is usually required to reload the weapon. Receiver of early Atchisson shotgun was made from steel tube, with attached M16-type buttstock and forearm. This shotgun also employed trigger group borrowed from Browning BAR-1918 automatic rifle, which allowed for selective semi-automatic of full-automatic fire from open bolt. Feeding was from detachable magazines, either 5-round boxes or 20-round drums. To provide necessary support for heavy drum magazines during recoil, gun was equipped with magazine support bracket that rested against pistol grip. Simple sights were of open type, with non-adjustable rear diopter and post front, both mounted on high bases.



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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/2/2008 1:16 AM
Note our Jimbert has descended into the depths of militaria,, like Siegfried among the Nibelungen

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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbertSent: 6/2/2008 4:49 AM
Think Chinese, guns not members.
Jimbert

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/2/2008 11:14 PM
Chinese? it's not the Norinco QBZ 95

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/2/2008 11:18 PM
Not Taiwanese either. I give in

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From: MSN NicknamejamestrdSent: 6/3/2008 1:21 AM
Didnt realize it was already posted, but m,y post is better.
 
Whats the matter with my alias? sound a bit flaming?

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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbertSent: 6/3/2008 4:02 AM
They are Norincon Flashman
Jimbert
 
NORINCO / Hawk Industries semi-automatic shotguns (PR China)

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/3/2008 11:41 AM
Well, I got Norincon. I would say the sighting arrangements do look primitive. but who needs them

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/3/2008 11:44 AM
Don't follow you James. I mean, Zackwerling is OK, in a cutesy sense.......
But Flakzwilling........has purpose.  

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From: MSN NicknamejamestrdSent: 6/5/2008 3:24 PM
can you hear a lisp when you say my name?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/5/2008 4:25 PM
You have acquired so many names in your remorseless hunt for self concealment I would like to know which one.
 
As, no doubt, would the vice squad.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 6/29/2008 11:36 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
One was ordered to defend the Golden gate from Chinese attack in 1889.
What was it?

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From: MSN NicknamejamestrdSent: 7/3/2008 2:37 AM
its either the illunium q explosive space mogilator or!.....
 
a red rider....   you'll shoot your eye out kid

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 7/3/2008 4:43 PM
James if you think that's going to get you the title role in Barbarella, guess again

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 7/8/2008 4:38 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFlashman191</NOBR> Sent: 29/06/2008 23:36
 
 
By 1880 black powder was turning into smokeless powder for small-arms but that left a gap for artillery propellant charges since too violent a propellant would detonate the bursting charge inside the shell.
 
An interim solution was the dynamite gun, propelling a dynamite shell by compressed air.
 
Problem with this was slow acceleration and therefore the need for a long barrel and of course an air compressor.
 
To Google.........
 

Guns for naval use were supplied with air from shipboard compressors. A small model for field use by land forces employed a powder charge to drive a piston down a cylinder, compressing air that was then fed into the gun barrel. This field model was famously used by Theodore Roosevelt's Rough Riders during the Spanish-American war, but had actually been used previously by Cuban insurgents against Spanish forces.

The guns fired a relatively lightweight shell; necessarily the guns had a low muzzle velocity, requiring a high angle of fire even at short ranges. This increased the flight time of the shell, and so resulted in a loss of accuracy. See External ballistics

From 1894 to 1901, the Army purchased and installed several coastal artillery batteries of fifteen-inch dynamite guns. These could throw an explosive projective from 2000 to 5000 yards depending on the weight of the projectile, from 50 to 500 pounds. Compressed air at 2500 psi was supplied by a steam-driven compressor. In addition to the guns and their ammunition, the steam boiler, compressor, and other equipment necessary to operate the guns weighed over 200 tons. In 1904 the batteries were decommissioned, and the guns dismounted and scrapped.

Roosevelt and his Rough Riders used a Sims-Dudley gun during the siege of Santiago, with mixed results. The gun did work as intended, delivering high-explosive shells on target. Because of its relatively quiet pneumatic operation and smokeless powder charges, it did not betray its presence, and so was not targeted by the Spanish. But it was mechanically unreliable and not very accurate. On balance Roosevelt was not enthusiastic, but found it "more effective than the regular artillery." [1]

 

What killed these guns off was installation weight low MV, and perfection of propellant charges. 


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 7/9/2008 8:32 PM
 
JAMES THIS LINK'S GOT YOUR SHOTGUN IN IT YOUTUBE

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