James

 

That fighter is as stealthy as T-Dog in a heavy metal brothel.

so flash,

 

are you saying all hype?

 

i did some reading, and I believe prototypes have been tested....not sure what to believe on it.

 

whats your take..?

I'd rather have Bob 39 on this but I believe we are going into the world of titanium and special ceramic cutting. My take on the last Russian bankruptcy was not the anti missile missile costs but the typhoon submarines; building an aircraft carrier sized job in titanium

The design of the Typhoon submarine is multi-hulled and bears resemblance to a catamaran. The submarine has two separate pressure hulls with a diameter of 7.2 m each, five inner habitable hulls and 19 compartments. The pressure hulls are arranged parallel to each other and symmetrical to a centerplane. The missile compartment is arranged in the upper part of the bow between the pressure hulls. Both hulls and all compartments are connected by transitions. The pressure hulls, the centerplane and the torpedo compartment are made of titanium and the outer light hull is made of steel. A protected module, comprising the main control room and electronic equipment compartment, is arranged behind the missile silos above the main hulls in a centerplane under the guard of retractable devices.

They have been undergoing overhaul since 1991.

At the end of the day you've got to be smooth to be stealthy. a Mk 1 eyeball will tell that aircraft hull isn't Look at Blackbird pix

 Now that to me looks "as smooth as nylon over tightly arched female buttocks" to quote J. Fenimore Cooper. (or was it Harriet Beecher Stowe in dikey mood ?)

Gun fit? No I believe this is a concept.  Certainly I am sure it would be a Soviet design.

China is making some very good tanks, and selling them to Pakistan.

The chinese are learning and fast, unfortunately what we don't teach them they steal from us.

I just think there may be some smart Chinese who can help that country do some advanced works including producing fighters. Just like not all people in our society are good at finishing such hard work. And I am just a worker in the steel factory.

Aside from the JSF F -35 prject, the F-22 is outlawed to sale of foreign coutnries.

 

The F35 will have similar capabilites, but will lack certain avionics and will not be as stealthy as the F 22.

 

Austailia and Israel have  solicited our congress and pentagon to release the rights to sell the F 22 as it is proven, with the F 35 still in works and dvelopment.

ARe you in agreement ?

 

I certainly am.

 

Especially, Israel, as they are long sue for a conflict, which may lead to the F 22 falling into the wrong hands.

If an F 22 is captured, whats to stop it from being reverse engineered and copied?

 

I belive the uS should keep all its technology to maintain  a qualitative edge against the rest of the world.

 

Im not sure I even agree with the F 35  project.

I think everythng considered,only the US and the UK should have them.

Right now, the F 35 is slated for US,UK, Austrailia, Japan,Israel,Canada Turkey ITALY AND A COUPLE OF SMALL Players.includign Singapore, Denmark and the Netherlands..

I feel this is too many participants increasing the chnaces of stolen technology..

 

feedback?

I will say you are well ahead of me, positively ripping back the boundaries of my flimsy carapace (cr*pace?)of learning.

 

Reverse engineering; the holy grail. You heard how even Beria was frightened to ask Stalin if the Tu4 (B29 copy) should have 2 drill holes in the wing roots because there were 2 bullet holes in the captured example.

 

Reverse engineering (help me Bob 39) cannot deliver an identical product. otherwise you have to reverse engineer the machine tools as well. This was how we Brits discovered the Tu4 debacle; Soviets were running round London trying to buy sheet steel etc materials.

 

Very good book by Frederick Forsyth about the Soviets trying to nuke a british establishment. Either the Fourth Protocol or The Devil's alternative. 

 

He made the point Soviet sheet steel was far heavier for the same gauge strengths.

 

Just my thoughts. but never forget, it was the "useful idiot" Clement Atlee who gave them their first jet engine. To paraphrase whover said it "with friends like that who needs to reverse engineer."

 

Microsoft support man goes to a firing range. He shoots 10 bullets at the target 50m away.

Then the supervisors check the target and see that there's not even a single hit, and they shout to him that he missed completely.

So he tells them to recheck, and gets the same answer.

Then he put his finger at the top of the gun and shoots, blasting off his finger.

When he saw it he shouted back "I don't know, it's working perfectly here, the problem must yours..."

Flash,

 

Common sense may dictate, that if we have successfully developed  stealth,

that we may possibly have developed the abilites to counter it, or at least working on it?

what say you?

 

To me it sounds viable, as we know the tech we put in, so it would obviouslt give us an advantage to coutner should the  Russsians etc, successfully develop and prodcue steath capabilites.

 

A good point.

 

BUT does that mean we charge  that cost to the aircraft unit price? or "Lose it"''I feel countermeasures are a far more expensive activity since you are working almost 100% in the unknown

However, young feller, you're very lucky 'cos yer uncle Flashy can tell yer the Germans invented a material called Cellon in WW1 and this was used to produce a transparent Fokker DVII

 

 

The Irish airforce refused to employ them 'cos they were worried about the implications of the convent ladies lookin' up and maybe seein' the Pilots' dangly bits.

 

Thus religion stifles progress.