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| | From:  Kahu751 (Original Message) | Sent: 4/4/2006 6:56 AM |
| I recently visited Gettysburg, and Bull Run in 2005, I have a photo of the stone building at Manassas with a ghostly image of a confederate and union soldier titled "Witness to Bull Run" by Jim or Tim Johnson, on my wall. I can't get over the similarities of the 1860's between the technologies, the buildings, the people themselves. You could almost transplant them in the same era of Aotearoa/New Zealand - which meant the land wars between settler/soldiers and Maori. I visited a reenactment site on Seminary Ridge where the local actors probably thought that I was looney! I don't think the person I spoke to even knew that there was a New Zealand out there, or even life outside the great United States of America! |
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Sunday, After your epoch making performance getting one innocent Lewis cat strung up for moulting on the carpet, I'm contacting the American Bar Council. Forensic Flash |
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You will have a worthy adversary, Quest. However, no Motions to Dismiss having crossed the Bench, we proceed to trial. |
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Too late, Flashman. I'll eat the ABA for breakfast. God have mercy on Lewis' soul. |
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Who is trying to try my people. sunny |
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IF IT IS REALLY YOU SUNNY, SEND SUNDAY A DNA SAMPLE IN A PLAIN BROWN RAPPER. THE GOOD ONE STILL |
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No it is not me it is an imposter with my brain. sunny |
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THEN THAT COULD BE SCARY, EH! REAL SCARY |
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Remember de Amazin Dudley Moore. "You need to have de Latin' fo' de Judgin." Well my fren' Flasherman, he speak de amazin' latin. It better dan de disgustin' T-Dawg's who get it f'om de priests. Flashman fo' Judge. |
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| | | From: Kahu751 | Sent: 6/13/2008 9:07 AM |
From what I've been able to gather this Blockhouse was built on the American model. Approximately 5.5m (18 ft) high, pit sawn timber planking, sandwiched by shingle infilled walls, and surrounded by concentric trench and parapet earthworks which were bulldozed in the 1960's to enlarge the local college's playing fields. There was also a well and a separate redoubt which covered the well and the open part of the L structure, these also are long gone. You should be able to see the rifle loopholes and the timber planked walls. Despite what the plaque records......... I remember my grandmother (b1882) telling me that she and her older sisters (b1878 & 1880) were taken to the Blockhouse during an 'emergency'. There was also the added memory that because she was the youngest she had to be the one to rescue the chooks which fell into the well! |
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| | | From: Kahu751 | Sent: 6/14/2008 2:37 AM |
Tiger591....Yes there are similarities there alright..........similar but different. Similar events producing different outcomes on society. Originally when I began this thread I was intrigued with the similarities in the buildings, arms, technologies of the period.... right down to the post and rail fencing. I had been sent a photo of a stone building (at Bull Run) with negative ghostly images of confederate and union soldiers superimposed and I couldn't get over the fact that it was almost the same as the Stone Store at KeriKeri Bay of Islands (the first permanent stone structure built in Aotearoa-New Zealand). We visited relatives in Virginia in 05 and 06 who thought I was a Civil War buff so I did get to see Gettysburg, Bull Run, Manassas, Antietam, Harper's Ferry etc. I was surprised to see lingering echoes of the Civil War on a man's T-shirt 'Civil War......hell no....'. (and on the back) The War of Northern Agression'. You say you've read something of the New Zealand Land Wars.......may I recommend "The New Zealand Wars and the Victorian interpretation of racial conflict", James Belich, Penguin, Auckland 1986? On pp294 - 297 he makes some interesting remarks about the US Civil War c/f The NZ Civil War. I'll try and put together a few thoughts to cover your other points later..... |
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| | | From: Kahu751 | Sent: 6/16/2008 6:52 AM |
Can you draw on your experience and tell us something about how the Maori have fared in New Zealand following those wars and whether the New Zealand peace settlement could have provided a more beneficial model for U.S. treatment of Native Americans? There seems to be a lot of discission on this site about the false claims of victimization and general worthlessness of American Indians. Yesterday the Canadian prime minister apologized to his country's native population for past assimilation policies. The same happened in Australia recently. Has your Maori population been "assimilated", fairly or unfairly? The US Civil War is probably not the right section of the forum for this post.... I'll try to make it short or move to a different area. Are you familiar with the Treaty of Waitangi (Feb 6, 1840)? http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/category/tid/133 This site should give you a general background. Now I should say that although I use a maori pseudonym I'm not a maori. So you'll appreciate that there are various shades of opinion on this topic depending on your ancestry. Firstly, there was no New Zealand peace settlement as you put it.......... our ancestors signed the Treaty and the terms of the treaty were broken usually by successive settler governments. The maori reacted by fighting for their traditional resources and territory, they also tried political reforms such as Kingitanga and religious movements such as Ringatu and Ratana http://www.theratanachurch.org.nz/history.html which had close ties to the New Zealand Labour Party and now there is also the Maori Party http://www.maoriparty.com/ . In between times maori had fought in the Boer war in South Africa, World War I (Gallipoli and France) and World War II (Greece, Crete, Libya, Italy) http://www.maoribattalion.co.nz/ and every war we were involved in up to Vietnam. On the sociological side there were experts like Sir Maui Pomare, Sir Peter Buck (Te Ranghiroa), Sir James Carrol (Kara), Sir Apirana Ngata who made great contributions to New Zealand life in general. Not forgetting the contributions of the women too Te Puea Herangi, Dame Te Arikinui Te Atairangikahu, Dame Whina Cooper, and many many others. Now differences between North America, Australia, and New Zealand are quite marked. |
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