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War : The True Story About U-571
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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113  (Original Message)Sent: 7/17/2007 2:34 PM

The True Story About U-571

The new Hollywood 'Blockbuster', 'U-571' portrays some astonishing events 'based on a true story'. Here is the true story; the submarine was actually U-559 and the sailors who captured the vital Enigma machine and codebooks were British (not American) sailors from H.M.S. Petard.

Although the British had been in possession of an Enigma machine since 1939 (courtesy of a Polish secret agent) they had been unable to decode German naval codes. Then in 1941 a U-Boat was forced to the surface and captured by a British destroyer. Incredibly, the Captain had failed to follow the standard procedure of throwing overboard the Enigma machine but also the accompanying codebook, which was printed with water-soluble ink on water-soluble paper. 

Enigma Machine

Later, the Germans, suspecting that something was amiss modified the machine and added a new code in February 1942. This left the British blind to German naval movements, again. On October 30th, 1942, four British destroyers had been chasing U-559 for 16 hours. They were about 70 miles north of the Nile Delta when the commander of U-559 decided to scuttle his damaged submarine. U-559 surfaced near H.M.S. Petard and the German crew took to their lifeboats after scuttling their submarine.

U-559

As U-559 was sinking, two British seaman, Lieutenant Tony Fasson and Able-Seaman Colin Grazier, swam from H.M.S. Petard to try and capture the Enigma machine which all U-Boats carried. They were followed by 16 year old Tommy Brown, a NAAFI boy, in a whaleboat. With Brown standing by at the top of the conning tower, Fasson and Grazier handed up the precious Enigma machine to him. There were now only seconds in which to leave the sinking submarine, but instead of coming out, Fasson and Grazier continued to pass documents, keypads and codes up to Brown. As Tommy Brown stowed everything in his whaleboat, the submarine went down taking Fasson and Grazier with it. They were awarded the George Cross posthumously.

Able-Seaman Colin Grazier

Tommy Brown received the George Medal as he was a civilian. He had lied about his age to fight for his country. He died two years later trying to rescue his two sisters from their burning slum tenement. This was one of the most important events of the war, for it transpired that through the bravery of these three men, the new variation of the Enigma machine and vital codebooks were delivered safely back to England and once again the British were able to decipher German Naval codes.



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From: MSN NicknameBIGSNOWBIRD1Sent: 7/17/2007 10:59 PM

The Enigma machine was a cipher machine used to encrypt and decrypt secret messages. More precisely, Enigma was a family of related electro-mechanical rotor machines, comprising a variety of different models.

The Enigma was used commercially from the early 1920s on, and was also adopted by the military and governmental services of a number of nations—most famously by Nazi Germany before and during World War II.

The German military model, the Wehrmacht Enigma, is the version most commonly discussed. The machine has gained notoriety because Allied cryptologists were able to decrypt a large number of messages that had been enciphered on the machine. Decryption was made in 1932 by Polish cryptographers Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski from Cipher Bureau. In mid-1939 reconstruction and decryption methods were delivered from Poland to Britain and France. The intelligence gained through this source, codenamed ULTRA, was a significant aid to the Allied war effort. The exact influence of ULTRA is debated, but a typical assessment is that the end of the European war was hastened by two years because of the decryption of German ciphers.

Although the Enigma cipher has cryptographic weaknesses, in practice it was only in combination with other significant factors (mistakes by operators, procedural flaws, an occasional captured machine or codebook) that Allied codebreakers were able to decipher messages


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 7/18/2007 10:09 PM

.A few of the benefits of ULTRA

 

More supplies were getting through than ever before. A typical case was that of Convoy SC 127. Its 57 ships sailed from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nova Scotia</st1:place></st1:State> on 16 April 1943, carrying tanks, grain, explosives, steel, lumber, sugar, phosphates, and fuel oil. Its original route would have taken it through an area in which the codebreakers discovered an estimated 25 U-boats. Its course was altered so it sailed around this square, and eventually the convoy arrived in its British ports without the loss of a single vessel. Its commodore happily signaled: "All arrived.

 

The Allies knew that <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s supply submarines, the U-tankers, or "Milchkuhe" (milk cows), greatly extended the combat time-on-station of the U-boats. Codebreaking revealed with almost pinpoint precision where these U-tankers were to rendezvous with the combat U-boats to give them fuel and other supplies. On the basis of this information, airplanes from the escort carriers attacked the U-tankers, often when they were on the surface refueling. In the middle of 1944, of the 10 Milchkuhe in the <st1:place w:st="on">Atlantic</st1:place>, nine were sunk. Each sinking caused U-Boat Command to go through contortions of resupply, with U-boats having to meet and give up precious fuel to one another so that all could return to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>.

 

  

 

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From: MSN Nicknamevicbc6Sent: 7/18/2007 10:28 PM
Acctually   the British captured 2 SS  U110  by H.M.S.BULLDOG and  another U 570 by an Lockheed Hudson aircraft. The  former  sank  but  not  before  the papers and I believe the  enigma machine had been taken off  and placed  abord DD H.M.S. BULLDOG . U 570  was  taken first to Iceland and   all the enigma  related   material taken off   . She  then went to sea as H.M.S. Graph  and  survived the war .
   Another  poster is also right . The Poles  did  give British inteligence   the enigma  machine  at the start of the war .Just as the Russians had passed on cypher books they captured in WW I. Though for the record  the enigma  system kept evolving
to the point that  some   were strictly naval, or army or  Luftwaffe orientated.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 7/19/2007 12:24 PM
The thing which made the Milchkuhen so vulnerable was the vast amount of radio traffic required to make 2 subs RV in the vastness of the ocean.
Favourite was the destruction of the big Jap subs meeting up with the Germans to transfer strategic goods. I'll be posting on that topic shortly

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 7/19/2007 1:30 PM
 In 1942, U-boats were sent from their base at Lorient in France to the Gulf of Mexico with orders to sink as many US ships as possible. In the first half of 1942, the 18 U-boats operating in the Gulf sunk a total of 62 ships.  The US was totally unprepared for enemy submarines operating so close to home and virtually unopposed. (Admiral King USN, CinC Eastern Seaboard, refused to read British signals about U Boat deployments, being an anglophobe - mk)

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From: MSN NicknamefunkmasterjeeSent: 7/20/2007 3:02 PM
another idiot with his head in the sand

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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113Sent: 8/2/2007 6:31 PM
One of the spin off's of the Egnigma was the design and building of the first working computer the collossos. The following article you will see mention the destruction of the machine after the. However one went to the US and was further developed out there.
 
Arnie
 

Max Newman, the famous mathematician devised an automated way to find the Lorenz machines settings. This involved having two loops of paper tape. The first contained the message to be decoded and the second contained the repeating pseudo random sequence. The idea was that each time the loop of tape containing the message was fed through the machine, the second tape was moved on by one position. In this way each possible setting was tested and a score recorded for each. The setting with the highest score was hopefully the one required for the 'Tunny' machine to decode the message.

TRE at Malvern were approached to develop a machine to implement the idea. This machine was based on mechanical relays and known as 'Robinson' (as in Heath Robinson). Although Robinson worked, it was unreliable. In particular the mechanical tape reader had problems keeping the two tapes in synchronisation at the operating speed of 1000 characters per second.

Newman, looking to solve the problems with Robinson was put in touch with Tommy Flowers, a talented electronics engineer working for the Post Office at Dollis Hill.

Tommy Flowers design solved the problems of Robinson in an innovative way. Rather than using paper tape to store the pseudo random sequence, Flowers replicated it electronically using a huge array of valves. This saved using two tapes and the synchronisation problems. The use of valves for digital switching was also a groundbreaking step which offered a huge increase in operating speed over mechanical relays (valves at the time were regarded by most as unreliable components used for amplifying analog signals.)

Design of Colossus started in March 1943 and the first unit was operational at Bletchley Park in Jan 1944. Colossus was immediately successful, the Colossus - Tunny combination allowed 'high grade' German codes to be decoded in hours. This proved immensely useful during the D-Day landings. The parallel design of Colossus made it incredibly fast even by today’s standards, a modern Pentium PC programmed to do the same decoding task took twice as long to break the code.

A total of 10 Colossi were built, the design being improved and upgraded throughout the rest of the war. These machines were used to decode tens of thousands of intercepted messages and made a huge contribution to the allied victory.

At the end of the war, to keep their existence secret the 10 Colossi were dismantled and all the technical drawings and diagrams were burned. Their existence was to remain a secret for nearly 30 years.


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 8/2/2007 9:02 PM
Arnie and Funk
 
A bit of light but true relief.
 

[edit] The Ian Fleming connection

The plan was developed by Operational Intelligence Centre (OIC) which was a leading user of Ultra decrypts. Commander Ian Fleming, personal assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence (Admiral Godfrey) at the OIC, showed his talent for fantastical plots when he suggested the plan.

[edit] The plan

This was a plan to obtain a German codebook by crashing a captured German aeroplane into the English Channel, where the British crew could be rescued by a German minesweeper. The 'survivors' would then kill the German crew, and hijack the ship thus obtaining the Enigma equipment.

[edit] Outcome

It never actually happened, as on the day it was planned, there were no German ships in the Channel. Other sources say it developed glitches and so was never implemented.

 

Peter


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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113Sent: 8/4/2007 1:55 PM
Flash
 
The Royal Navy captured an enigma code book from a German weather station in the Artic. Below is thedescription of the operation by a matelot who was involved. Note the bit about the weather ships camouflage and the bit about not know the true object of the job.
 
arnie
 

THE ICEBURG

"The Navy were trying to locate a German Station providing weather and movement of shipping news to their own ships and submarines. I was on HMS Nigeria (a colony cruiser), and before getting under weigh we had a good idea of the general area in which the Weather Ship would be found but, immediately before the incident, it is most likely we simply 'came across' her. We were not at Action Stations, always triggered off by radar contact and often the result of locating floating debris, empty lifeboats and even whales! I was on deck as HMS Nigeria sailed into proximity to a large iceberg when I first saw an orange glow in the 'iceberg', followed by splashes of water in the sea near the stern of Nigeria. Almost with disbelief, I realised the iceberg had opened fire on us with enormously heavy guns, the spashes so clearly disturbing a perfectly calm sea - like a sheet of glass. At this point I could not see a ship. It was covered from stem to stern in white canvas. Together with our two destroyer escort we had located the German Weather Ship Lauenberg and it was June 1941. (Alfred only recently discovered that on the day a copy of the Enigma Code was taken from the Lauenberg by the boarding party from the destroyers. It was not the job of Nigeria to stop or to take prisoners.) Scuttling-charges sent the Lauenberg to the bottom. I well recall seeing two lifeboats packed with her crew being rowed away from their ship to the destroyer HMS Bedouin and internment."


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From: MSN NicknameNormalParanoiaSent: 8/15/2007 9:29 PM
I once read that one of the best uses of ultra.  Was for the escape of the Allied troops at Dunkirk.  A total blunder on the part of Germany that is for sure.  The most famous of persons to get away was probably Monty.  Which if the Germans had it to do over would make sure that would never have happened.

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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113Sent: 8/16/2007 7:38 PM
Normal
 
Yes Montgomery di leave France via Dunkirk, but I think General Alexander was the last General to leave he left off the beach on the last day.
 
Later at Anzio which was wilting under German attacks the US General Clarke and Alexander were visiting. The Americans were suggesting that the landing fotrce should perhaps withdraw. Clarke told Alexander that if they didn't pull out their could be another Dunkirk. Alex replied rather sharply. 'I was at Dunkirk and this is nothing like that'.
 
The rest is history as they say.
 
Arnie
 
Arnie

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