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In 1944, in France,
the Allies sent a message to Rommel stating they have 7 German Nurse prisoners they would like to turn over.
A formal; seize fire is instituted and 3 American officers waving white flags approach the German lines escorting the nurses..They are turned over and the officers leave.
The seize fire lasts for 4 hours after the exchange.
3 days later, another similar incident occurs..after the a prisoner exchange another seize fire lasts for 4 hours.
Were the allies and Rommel communicating to sign a Truce and surrender the German armies to the West?
One of the German officers receiving the prisoners is noted as saying..." Too bad we are fighting Americans, we should join hands and turns towards the East in a combined effort to stop Bolshevism."
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Tiger and James Sorry to see such massive intellects wasting their impacts when the true enemy is the Communist and Muslim. Also I have said before, as a member of equal seniority to yourselves it is distasteful to see disparagement on the grounds of spelling and typography. I am superbly educated, and a master of English. But I suffer from de Puytrens Syndrome so my fingers bunch up. PBA has eyesight problems (known as the T-Dog Syndrome) and writes in capitals. Normal writes in italic red because it turns him on. Back to the meat. Nuremburg was a sham. "Superior orders" was a defence, as was the defence of necessity. See R.v. Bell, State vs Breeze, R v Dudley and Stevens, US vs Holmes. All killed and were acquitted |
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Tiger,
You're an ass.
Wolffes negotiations started almost 3 months prior to Hitlers death..Prior to the Red army entering Berlin..
Thats the beauty of this book Tiger, it is meant to upset the minds of the people like yourself who think they know it all.
All the sources of it's content are in the Bibliography.. The man is a noted and accredited writer as well has been published 25 times..
Now what can you say Tiger? How many times have you been published Mr. History Writer?
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Tiger,
I am not disparaging you nor anyone..That was evident in your remarks to me.I merely posted a topic I thought some would find interesting and maybe get a good discussion going.
it was you who lashed out with your arrogance and pompous discredits..The whole topic was left to "educated conjecture" of the incidents and evidence pertaining to it..But Breuer himself left it open.
as for politics,, I do not know what you are speaking about..I never take part in those discussions..too boring for me. and quite frankly..I'm not a very political guy. I just know what I stand for.
If you feel; I acted out distastefully, please go back and read your initial posts and the patronizing context they contained.
"the more I study the more I realize the need
to keep plugging away."
This is probably the best statement you offered through this whole thing, and I feel the same way too..The problem is for some reason, others seem to think what they know IS, and their sources most correct.
Well, guess what? I can read too..and I like to offer things that fuel the mind, not just cut and paste cookie cutter carve outs. |
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Forgot one last thing..it has been referred to in a few sources, but no said Rommel was in absolute communications to surrender..
I would tend to believe that Rommel, and even Wolffe had Germany's best interest in mind, and if they were unable to get any positive reinforcement of their actions or terms, they would have negated the whole idea.They wanted honorable conditions..
The sources of this particular piece titled " A puzzling episode in Normandy" are as follows:
R.G. Rupenthal report,"utah beach to Cherbourg" 1947 office of chief of military history,Wash DC
Drew Middleton" the War as Rommel fought it" May 17,1953
Report of transfer of German Nurses, Sept 21,1944 Hoover Institution of war,Revolution and Peace, Stanford Calif.
Dr Walter Bargatzky,"Personal recollections" Hoover Institution,Oct 20, 1945. Authors Archives |
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Tiger,
There is not much more I can offer you on the subject than what I have already outlined. It is a brief chapter in the book.
the main points have been stated, but the biggest part of it that leaves more to be desired is the way the 2 turnovers were conducted.
1 week apart, both at 3pm and both truces lasted for 4 hours each. The exchanges were complete in under 10 minutes.
Through the turn of events, it is believed, although not proven, that there were communications being made.
A few days later, Rommel was strafed.
Other names involved were General Hans Speidel who issued the initial orders to accept the first group of nurses.
Colonel walter ( aka DR.) Barkatzky who was a lawyer on the staff o f General Karl-Heinrich von Steulpnagel, Militray Governor of France.
It was he who wrotea letter that Rommel signed.. This letter was to be delivered by 7 german officers, but it is now believed the Nurses were used as a cloak.
the latter was addressed to Allied Ground Commander, Monty...
Why I believe it is Highly plausible there was a communication, is at this time, the plots for Hitlers death were already under way, Rommel was aware of them, and he was Feuding with Hitler over the Western front.
The letters content contained conditions stating the Germans would withdraw to the Sigfried Line and the allies were to stop bombing German cities.
Then the Germans would concentrate on preventing the Russians from overrunning Germany.
My guess is the second turnover was a response... most likely not good, thus the battles raged on..
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Tiger,
I harldy qualify as the right guy for that type of job..
What I wonder, is if so many in top ranking positions wanted Hitler dead or gone, why wasn't he just placed under arrest? A coup of the army?
The armies could have retreated and also had the power to seize control.
My last thought is, why didn't someone just shoot him? Many had easy access to do so.
Surely someone could have "taken one for the team" ????
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I led a mechanised Company the wrong way past Admiral Doenitz's home in Bad Salzuflen in Summer 1972. I also led a mech platoon through Bergen Belsen (strictly no military vehicles allowed, or uniforms) Summer 1973. Now that is REAL military crime. Forget Stauffenberg &Co. |
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Tiger,
I do know the book, and I remember it well. My father had a copy. An old hard cover..He also had many others as well as the full Time series" the History of the second world war" I forget how many copies there were, bu they were black vinyl bound with multiple magazines and articles inside.
this was the first intro I had to the war. I read everyone of them.
I never read the Shirer book, because it was just too big and it turned me off as a result.. i believe it is over 1000 pages..
One day when I got an extra few months to dedicate to it, I will take a stab at it.
I wonder if he still has that copy..
I still feel that once a decisions was made to assassinate, why not just make it easy. Walk right up and put a bullet in his head.. clean and simple. At the same time take Himmler and Goering.. Job done.. |
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Mark, I do understand that, but this would have been the case in anyway it was conducted.
its not like any of the involved partied wouldn't have been sought out and caught even if it was successful. evidence would have led to them eventually. |
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