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War : Legacy of Vietnam
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From: MSN NicknameCurliestJimbert  (Original Message)Sent: 4/25/2008 1:17 PM
Vietnma vets have been treated abominally by the people and governments of the troops sent there. Today is Anzac Day in Australia and New Zealand. (Similar to Remeberance Day).
The treatment of their troops is no better than those of the USA. They all claim Agent Orange was harmless.
Jimbert
 
 


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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/26/2008 1:04 AM
I know how I felt at the time of  a possible OE in VietNam. Despite the political sentiments expressed at the time their treatment on homecoming was disgusting........... the casualties of war war visited on the second and third generations of veterans. The Ivan Watkins Dow AgriChem plant at Paratutu, and past work place practices have contributed to a pollution of the immediate environment, as well as intergenerational illnesses of former workers and their families. Lord only knows of the effects on the civilian population and subsequent generations in the affected areas of VietNam.

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 4/27/2008 4:05 AM
Vietnam's environment has recovered much better than the Vietnam Vets from the effects of the bombing and Agent Orange.  You might find this interesting, Kahu:
 

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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/30/2008 2:17 AM

Health plan for dioxin victims 'too little'

By RUTH HILL - The Dominion Post | Wednesday, 30 April 2008
 

Victims of dioxin poisoning who lived and worked in the shadow of the Ivon Watkins Dow agri-chemical plant in New Plymouth say the Government's offer of a free annual health check is "too little too late".

Associate Health Minister Damien O'Connor announced last night that the Government had endorsed independent recommendations for a health support service for people exposed to dioxin.

It has been three years since tests confirmed what many residents in the suburb of Paritutu already knew - that they had been exposed to dangerous levels of the cancer-causing chemical. The Health Ministry has acknowledged the exposure may have resulted in a 10 per cent increase in cancer deaths in the area.

Though the degree of harm was "highly uncertain", the Government had decided to do "what we can to help now, based on what we now know", Mr O'Connor said.

The plan, announced at a public meeting in New Plymouth last night, includes a free annual check-up, medical advice on genetic concerns, referral to primary mental health services, serum dioxin testing and nutrition, exercise and smoking cessation advice. It is to start on July 1 and will cost about $750,000 a year.

Dioxin Investigation Network spokesman Andrew Gibbs said it was a "slap in the face" to those who had been waiting almost 40 years for justice.

"It's 39 years after the exposure, and 22 years since they knew about it."

The service makes no provision for children and grandchildren of those affected, which has angered victims. They have not ruled out seeking compensation.

The Government, which subsidised the chemical by 50 per cent from 1969, had failed to act because of its "conflict of interest", Mr Gibbs said. "New Zealand made a lot of money out of these chemicals ... but these people are left bearing the cost of that."

Noel Scouller, who lived next to the factory between 1974 and 1983, says three of his children have had cancer, the fourth has a serious heart condition, and he suffers a crippling nerve disorder.

"We have been poisoned and no one in authority seems to care."

Deputy director of public health Fran McGrath said the Government was not considering compensation nor an apology.

The ministry's advice was that there was "no evidence Dow acted outside the law or standards of the time".

Nor was there evidence that dioxin's carcinogenic effects were intergenerational.


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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/30/2008 2:43 AM
Thanks for that link Sunday. I remember seeing a tv programme showing the results of Agent Orange on the civilian population and crops grown in affected areas. I can't remember if it was in Vietnam or in a neighbouring country, but it was quite frightening.

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 4/30/2008 8:47 AM
THERE IS A BATTLE GOING ON WITH OUR GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW WITH SERVICEMEN WHO WERE STATIONED AND TRAINED IN CAMP GAGETOWN NEW BRUNSWICK DURING THE 60'S.
SILLY US LET THE STATES TEST DROP THEIR AGENT ORANGE THERE ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
THERE IS AN ABNORMALLY HIGH RATE OF CANCER AND CANCER DEATHS IN THIS GROUP. I SPENT 1966-68 THERE. I CAN REMEMBER WE GOT BROUGHT BACK IN FROM AN EXERCISE IN THE BUSH SO THAT THEY COULD SPRAY WITH IT. TWO DAYS LATER WE WERE TAKEN BACK THROUGH THE SAME AREA AND IT WAS REALLY NOTICEABLE HOW GOOD IT WORKED. THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE USEING IT TO MAKE CUT LINES OR WHAT WE CALL FIRE BREAKS IN THE FOREST.
 

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From: MSN NicknameKahu751Sent: 4/30/2008 11:00 PM
Is the 'battle' with the Provincial Government or Federal Government? The two herbicides 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T had been manufactured in New Plymouth for quite some time and used in the NZ agricultural industry against gorse on hill country farmland. Aerial spraying was pioneered here in the late 1940's......using Tiger Moths and DC3s. It was only with the combination of both those herbicides as Agent Orange that the troubles began. 

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