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World History : The League of Nations and the United Nations
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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113  (Original Message)Sent: 5/18/2003 7:22 PM
The League of Nations and the United Nations

The imposition of a peaceful world order was a key objective for the League of Nations, established in the aftermath of World War One. How can its successor, the United Nations, react to the challenges of the 21st century? Charles Townshend assesses its chances.

Lloyd George, Clemenceu

& Wilson arrive at the

 League of Nations

Part 1 

The birth of the League ideal

The League of Nations, born of the destruction and disillusionment arising from World War One, was the most ambitious attempt that had ever been made to construct a peaceful global order. It was rooted in a comprehensive liberal critique of the pre-war international system,  was widely believed to have been the cause of the carnage of 1914-18.

'The secret diplomacy of the old order would be replaced by...open discussion'

The idea of the League was to eliminate four fatal flaws of the old European states: in place of competing monarchical empires - of which the Hapsburg Empire was perhaps the most notorious - the principle of national self-determination would create a world of independent nation states, free of outside interference; the secret diplomacy of the old order would be replaced by the open discussion and resolution of disputes; the military alliance blocs would be replaced by a system of collective guarantees of security; and agreed disarmament would prevent the recurrence of the kind of arms race that had racked up international tensions in the pre-war decade.

Before this, the closest approach to an international political structure had been the Congress System, in which the European great powers held occasional summit meetings to discuss issues they found urgent. (To his credit, the much-maligned Tsar Nicholas II of Russia had sponsored international efforts to ban 'inhumane' weapons such as expanding or exploding bullets; but these efforts were only partially successful.)

The surviving victorious great powers at the end of the Great War - Britain and France - would have preferred to go no further than regularising the old Congress System. The spirit of the times, however, which was overbearingly personified in the president of the USA, Woodrow Wilson, pushed towards the creation of a more comprehensive global organisation, which would include all independent states, and in which even the smallest state would have a voice.


 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 


 


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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113Sent: 5/19/2003 3:20 PM

The League of Nations and the United Nations 

By Charles Townshend                                       

The growth of a system

 

 
President Wilson; America failed to ratify the League Covenant ©
Unfortunately, Wilson's thinking about the way that self-determination would work in the real world, and about getting his idea for a 'community of power' off the ground, remained vague. Partly this was to avoid alarming US isolationist opinion, but in any case, when the League Covenant was agreed at the Paris peace conference in 1919, the US Senate refused to ratify it.

How the League would have worked with American participation remains one of the great 'what ifs' of modern history. As it was, the direction of the system was left in the hands of states - primarily Britain and France - whose altruism was questionable and whose economic resources had been crippled by the war.

'There was a widespread belief...that the League's prestige was growing incrementally'

Yet the League of Nations did work surprisingly well, at least for a decade after the war. By December 1920, 48 states had signed the League Covenant, pledging to work together to eliminate aggression between countries. A series of disputes - between Germany and Poland over Upper Silesia, between Italy and Greece, and between Greece and Bulgaria - were resolved under its auspices.

Though relatively minor, these were just the kind of incidents that had in the past triggered regional conflicts - and indeed World War One itself. There was a widespread belief, or hope, that the League's prestige was growing incrementally. Methods of investigating disputes, and helping to keep the peace, were regularised.

Another crucial function was the establishment of Mandates to bring all the territories that had been liberated from German and Turkish rule, at the end of the Great War, to eventual self-determination. In Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, the process seemed to be moving steadily forward. (In view of its subsequent history, the formal admission of Iraq to the League in 1933 was indeed premature.) The machinery of the League organisation grew more substantial, and the secretariat began to carve out the basis for a quasi-independent role, although this was unplanned and unlooked-for by the old great powers.

'...any credible system of economic sanctions was far distant'

The proliferation of League activity, however, carried risks: as one of its founders, Lloyd George, put it, 'it had weak links spreading everywhere and no grip anywhere'. 'Grip' ultimately meant the capacity to use force. When the crucial concept of collective security was put to the acid test in the 1930s, it dissolved. Once big powers started to challenge the status quo, as Japan did in Manchuria, the League found it practically impossible to reach a clear verdict on who was guilty of 'aggression'.

Or, still more disastrously, in the case of Italian pressure on Abyssinia, the guilt was clear enough but the key powers, Britain and France, were unwilling to antagonise the guilty party because of their wider strategic fears. The failed attempt to impose an oil embargo on Italy demonstrated that any credible system of economic sanctions was far distant.


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From: sunnyboySent: 5/27/2003 4:17 PM
What is an exploding bullet.
 
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 5/27/2003 4:42 PM
DO YOU MEAN SUNNY LIKE A BULLET THAT HAS BEEN HOLLOWED OUT AND FILLED WITH MERCURY AND THEN CAPPED AGAIN WITH LEAD. LIKE FROM THE MOVIE, THE DAY OF THE JACKAL. THIS ALL SOUNDS GOOD IN PRINCIPAL BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD WORK AS ADVERTISED.
                                                               .............PBA

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From: LewSent: 5/28/2003 7:09 AM
Repete, that's only one type, but yes it does.

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 5/29/2003 1:26 AM

HOW ABOUT A H.E.S.H. ROUND THEN. HIGH EXPLOSIVE SQUASH HEAD

IT HITS, SQUASHES AND THEN BASE DETINATES. ARE WE GETTING CLOSER?

                                                                                    ..........PBA



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From: sunnyboySent: 6/2/2003 4:47 PM
I do not know.  Arnie, the british guy , was talking about it in his post.   He said exploding bullets.   I bet those are hard to load in a rifle.  No wonder the britsh dont have any money.
 
 
 
 
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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113Sent: 6/2/2003 5:30 PM
Sunny
 
The IRA had exploding bullets that they fired from a Garand M1 rifle. I've never seen one other than being on the wrong end of them. By the way they also fired armour piercing rounds from the same weapon.
 
Arnie

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From: sunnyboySent: 6/13/2003 3:44 PM
Arnie
 
Explain that explodeing bullet thing.
 
 
 
sunny

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From: sunnyboySent: 6/18/2003 5:04 PM
I have never seen or heard of an exploding pistiol/rifle round.  Explode would indicate a secondary charge that would cause the round to detonate on impact.  That does not exist. 
 
 
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN Nickname-LooseheadSent: 6/7/2004 1:42 PM
 
 
 
 
Try this little lot out.

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