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World History : America Declaring War On Japan
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From: MSN NicknameArnie-113  (Original Message)Sent: 8/9/2003 6:07 PM
Tin can
 
You and many others on the site always criticise Europe's late response to Hitler. I think there are many debateable reasons why Britain didn't go to war until 1939.
 
Could you or any of your country men tell me why America failed to go to war in 1936 in aid of Manchuria and China ,when invaded by the Japanese. Who had warned  that America was its greatest rival in Asia and the Japanese general staff stated that a war with America was inevitable.
 
Perhaps if America had gone to war instead of inflicting trade embargos on oil, Japan would have been stopped and Hitler would have lost an Ally, this just may have prevented a world war.
 
Arnie


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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/16/2003 9:33 PM

SITTING BACK HERE IN THE BACK OF THE CLASS TODAY TRICKY RICKY. YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE WINNING ANYTHING. OH DEAR.

ps:HAVE YOU FOUND OUT WHERE THE FIRST STREET LIGHTS IN CANADA WERE YET?? 

                                                                                                   .........PBA



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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/16/2003 9:35 PM

YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONE SUFFERING IN THIS CONFLICT DICKY.

                                                                        .........PBA



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From: MSN Nicknamesixpack208Sent: 8/18/2003 10:49 AM
Reply to # 41,  Morerepetes ,
Do I ?,  go back and read the last 1/2 dozen , or so messages !  they don't  make  much sence to me !
 
sixpack.
 
PS- I recently rec'd a reprimand from  the "management of The History Page" for making  jest of another members "ID name" ....... I guess It's OK for some, but  not for others !!
[ Is that right ?, Managers .]
 

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From: sunnyboySent: 8/18/2003 5:02 PM
Treadies
 
One of the major problems with treadies is -there is no punishment for violations.  A country simply signs and said it will abide-but if it does not?  What are they going to do.   Take your country to court.  The Kellogg-Braind, HagueI & II, They are just talk.
 
The next point is the con job governments and here England leads the list.  This where a government creates deffination of law  AFTER the Fact and back dates it and applies it to something that happened before.  The Kings of the Little Island did this for hundreds of years..
 
And example of this in the U.S. is the creation of General order #100 Which can be found clicking thru the Kellogg-Braind e-stuff.  Here is my point-  All deffinations that we used today to define the "Civil war", insurrections, were writian in this order and applied to the Confederacy.  The only BIG problem with this is the Confederacy LEFT the Union in the summer of 1861.  This order was signed into law by Ape April 24, 1863.  See a con job here?
 
Therefore none of this Gerneral order # 100 would apply to the Confederacy.
 
Example on a smaller scale.
 
Local government passes a law on Wednesday making it  illegal to cut you grass on Mondays.  But you had cut your grass on the Monday before this was passed on Wednesday.  You are inviolation of the law passed after the fact.
 
And some people wonder why we shot those people.
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/18/2003 10:10 PM
HI RICKY, HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD WEEKEND.I SEE YOU MUST BE BACK TO WORK NOW AS THEY ARE LETTING YOU USE THE COMPUTER AGAIN. WHAT ABOUT THEM STREET LIGHTS EH?
                                                                            .........PBA

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 8/19/2003 2:40 AM
Pete - When are you Canucks getting streetlights?????    Next thing ya know you'll be getting a McDonalds.
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/19/2003 4:21 AM
SO WHAT'S MC DONALDS TOMMY?? MUST BE A CHEAP PLACE TO EAT BY THE SOUNDS OF THE NAME.
WE ARE HAVING ENOUGH PROBLEMS KEEPING YOU GUYS IN HYDRO FAR LESS HAVING STREET LIGHTS OF OUR OWN UP HERE.
SO BE GOOD OR I WILL TURN OFF THE SWITCH AGAIN.
NEXT TIME I AM GOING TO GET EVEN WITH THAT YANKEE GIRL FROM VIRGINA AND HER LITTLE DOG TOO, HEE HEE.
                                                             

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/19/2003 4:49 AM
TO THE HUNTER FROM BEEFALO, WHAT KIND OF TRACKS ARE THESES ANYWAY?
                                                                                  .........PBA

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 8/19/2003 11:27 AM
We don't need your hydro Pete, we own Niagara Falls.    Don't we?   Remember what happened to Iraq.   See you soon.
 
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/19/2003 2:14 PM
NO TOMMY YOU DON'T OWN THE FALLS. YOU TRIED TO OWN IT A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT LOST IT. YOU GUYS OWN THAT LITTLE SPILL WAY OFF TO THE SIDE OF IT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CALL A FALLS. I THINK YOURS FREEZES SOLID AROUND DECEMBER EACH YEAR. I BET YOU JUST ABOUT CRIED SEEING THEM TRACKS EH!
HAD TO SMILE AT THE NEWYORK MAYOR SAYING IT WAS ONTARIO'S FAULT. LIKE I SAID TO SUNDAY, WE WOULD HAVE APOLOGIZED FIRST BEFORE WE SHUTE THE POWER OFF ON YOU.
DO NOT COMPARE US TO IRAQ. IRAQ WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CAKE WALK COMPARED TO US PINKIES. SO BE GOOD OR WE WILL CUT OFF THE CAR AND TRUCK PARTS TOO.
IF THE LIGHTS GO OFF AGAIN, PRESS THIS BUTTON.
 
                                                               THE GOOD ONE

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 8/19/2003 2:39 PM


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Canada's largest companies cut back energy usage, thousands off work
at 0:36 on August 19, 2003, EST.

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Several of Canada's largest companies have agreed to cut power use to cope with the blackout. A GM employee is shown on the line at the St. Catherines, Ont., General Motors Engine Plant in this file photo. (CP HO)

TORONTO (CP) - Thousands of Canadian autoworkers had their hours cut or were told to stay home Monday as the Big Three automakers and businesses across Ontario cut their electrical usage by up to half to help the province cope with the aftermath of last week's blackout.

While the auto plants sat idled, offices dimmed lights, slowed elevators and increased building temperatures to lessen their reliance on power hungry air conditioners, to answer a plea by the Ontario government to conserve power while the system is brought back online.

At GM Canada, the largest of the Big Three and one of Ontario's biggest private employers, 11,500 workers or roughly half the company's workforce was affected as the vehicle maker moved to cut power usage at seven of its nine plants - including stopping production at its huge Oshawa, Ont., car plants.

"In some cases, it's people who won't work during the day but their shift time has changed to run through the middle of the night, because what we're doing in some plants is shifting the production to off-peak hours," GM spokesman Stew Low said Monday.

"We're doing our best to run some production at critical facilities between 8 p.m. and through the night to 8 a.m."

The company continued normal operations at its Oshawa truck plant and a components plant in St. Catharines that supplies parts to plants in the United States.

Viacom Outdoor Canada, the province's largest outdoor advertiser, cut its power consumption by turning off the lights on billboards and other advertising one by one across the province.

"It's a flip of about 10,000 switches because each one of these units is independently wired, so the actual physical act once you get to the location is not that complicated, its just the getting around town and around the province," Viacom's Nick Arakgi said.

Ontario officials asked business and the public to conserve energy this week as the power system remains several days away from returning to full strength.

Ontario's Independent Electricity Market Operator said capacity Monday was expected to reach 19,700 megawatts with users cutting back. By 4 p.m. ET, overall demand had climbed to 18,060 MW.

Normal consumption would be 22,000 to 24,000 MW.

Officials have warned that shortages could result in rotating power outages across the province. The IMO also has the ability to shut off power to workplaces not complying with the province's request to conserve energy.

It's too early to tell how much of an impact the power blackout will have on Canada's economy, which produced an estimated $1.1 trillion in goods and services in 2002.

CIBC World Markets economist Warren Lovely had forecast the Canadian economy to grow at an annualized rate of around three per cent in the third quarter, but he revised that estimate downward Monday because of the power outage and the ongoing threat of rolling blackouts.

"Its pretty clear that you've got a negative economic shock to the month of August and as a result to the third to the third quarter," Lovely said.

However despite the blackout, Lovely expected growth in the third quarter would still be greater than the second when it was either flat or slightly negative.

Andrew Pyle, senior economist at Scotiabank, suggested the blackout wouldn't have a huge impact unless the threat of rolling blackouts continued for an extended period of time or another major blackout occurred.

To cut back on their electricity usage, retailers such as Hudson's Bay and Sears Canada raised building temperatures, turned off outdoor signs and exterior lighting, shut off certain display lighting and the wall of TVs. Their head offices also reduced power consumption.

At Sears, its Ontario distribution centres and call centres ran off generators if possible during peak daytime hours instead of pulling power from the hydro grid. Canadian Tire also used generators at its Brampton, Ont. distribution centre and kept its head office operations to a minimium.

Grocery chain Loblaws cut back on lighting in its stores and its offices and turned off its neon store signs.

At DaimlerChrysler Canada, the company shut down its assembly plant and two research labs in Windsor, affecting 6,300 workers Monday. The company's Brampton, Ont., assembly plant and trim plants in Ajax, Ont., resumed regular production.

DaimlerChrysler expected to run its Windsor assembly plant overnight during off-peak hours of power use.

And in Hamilton, steelmaker Stelco Inc. began "very minor production" on Monday as it stabilized its systems after the emergency shutdown Thursday when the lights went out.

"We had things that just simply weren't making anything and now we've got them to the point where we've got them stabilized and starting to make a little bit, but we're not anywhere near the kinds of levels of production we'd typically have," Stelco spokesman Tim Huxley said.

CRAIG WONG


© The Canadian Press, 2003

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From: MSN NicknamefurfanphillySent: 9/25/2003 7:08 PM
Roosevelt was in a very bad spot in 1936.  The depression was not really over yet and many of the new deal programs were being blammed for the slow growth of the economy.  In addition to this, there was great fear of war by the American people. 
We were still in the age of Isolationism.  Since we were not attacked, there was no reason to support the war.  As it was, Roosevelt had to convince the American people on the war after December 7, 1941.
These are some reasons for the delay in joining the war.
Frank

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From: sunnyboySent: 9/26/2003 5:15 PM
I have heard that on the day that America declaired war on Japan that the vote to go to war by the U.S.Congress was not uniamous.  That there was some people who did not think that Pearl harbor was a act of war.  can anybody find any information on this.  I am not that smart.
 
 
 
sunny

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From: MSN Nickname-LooseheadSent: 2/25/2004 5:27 AM
"Lew & tincan , messages # 28 & 29 :  Dear gals/gents , i don't know what u are , 1st. let's learn to spell , then we can  converse , and 2nd....
 
Why are we not spending more time on HISTORY  ?    Is that not the main topic ?
 
Or are u going to continue , and constantly loose arguments with ricky!!!
 
Give it up and talk HISTORY !!
ric"
 
 
Ricky, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Someone with your limited grasp of the English language really shouldn't try to give lessons in it. When I went to school, it was 'you', not 'u'. As for your grammatical problems, where would I begin? Finally, your piece de resistance.
 
"constantly loose arguments "
 
Check your spelling Ricky. I think you'll find the word is not 'loose', but 'lose'.
 
I'm sure this little diatribe won't slow you down in your one-man campaign to alienate the entire Western World, but I would hope it might at least give you cause to think before you begin hammering keys. Of course, this lesson is free.

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