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World History : Interesting Prophesy From 100 Years Ago
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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5  (Original Message)Sent: 5/30/2004 1:44 PM
In his autobiography published in 1903 the renowned British soldier General the Earl Wolseley made this statement.
 
The Chinese are the most remarkable race on earth, and I have always thought, and still believe them to be, the coming rulers of the world. They only want a Chinese Peter the Great or Naploeon to make them so....... and in my idle speculation upon this world's future I have long selected them as the combatants on one side of the great Battle of Armageddon, the people of the United States of America being their opponents. The latter nation is fast becoming the greatest power of the world. Thank Heaven, they speak English, are governed by an English system of laws, and profess the same regard that we have for what both understand by fair play in all national as well as in private business.     
 
I don't see anything there to disagree with.


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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 5/30/2004 6:02 PM
My apologies to the memory of Lord Wolseley, he was a Field-Marshal and a Viscount, not a General and an Earl.

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 6/1/2004 5:42 PM
Prescient indeed.
 
Where'd you find this, Mark?
 
Rabbi.

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 6/1/2004 6:14 PM
While we're on the subject, Mark, what are the ranks of peerage--or whatever you call them--and what are the responsibilities and perks that go with each?
 
Is there a short answer to that one, or did I just hand you a "Define the Universe.  Give at least three examples"-type question?
 
Rabbi.

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 6/1/2004 8:28 PM
The passage quoted is the last paragraph of the last chapter of Queen Victoria's Little Wars by Byron Farwell, published in 1973. It was reproduced from Lord Wolseley's memoirs Story of a Soldier's Life.      

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 6/1/2004 8:36 PM
The five ranks of the Peerage are, from the highest down - Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount and Baron. These are hereditary titles, some go back many hundreds of years.
Below them are Baronets (hereditary Knights) and Knights. Thses are minor nobility, not Peers.
Today there are no perks as such associated with the Peerage. In the past the granting of a title often meant a grant of land, or a castle or a large sum of money came with it. But today many Lords live ordinary lives in ordinary houses having lost their lands and estates years ago through bad luck or to the taxman.

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From: usone1Sent: 6/2/2004 4:00 AM
Yes, that's a heck of a note...the two for sure things are; taxes and death.
Usone1

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 6/4/2004 7:38 PM
Thanks, Mark.
 
Rabbi.

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 6/4/2004 7:40 PM
Do you happen to know any good books on the subject?  I've been trying to find stuff here in the States, but I haven't been able to locate anything.
 
Thanks for the help.
 
Rabbi.

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 6/4/2004 8:49 PM
Thanks.
 
Rabbi.

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From: MSN NicknameStuka_The_BansheeSent: 6/10/2004 3:52 AM
Thanks, Mark for the quote. The Americans are obviously living up to Lord Wolseley's expectations. The Chinese, sleeping dragon of Asia just recently stepped onto the global stage and began her ascent. It would be most interesting to know how Lord Wolseley's expectations came about. Did he supply any justifications for his predictions?

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 6/10/2004 8:33 PM
I've not read Lord Wolseley's autobiography so I can only guess at the reasoning behind his opinions. His views on the rise of America are not doubt based on the USA's economic strength at the time and the ease with which she beat Spain in 1898. As for his opinion of the Chinese that's harder to decipher. He served in the Arrow War in China in 1859-60 but that was more than 50 years before he wrote those words.  

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From: MSN NicknameAëtiusSent: 10/9/2004 8:01 PM
Thank you Mark.
Aetius

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 10/10/2004 10:27 AM
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU MARK ON WHY YOU THINK LORD WOLSELEY PICKED AMERICA AT THAT TIME IN HISTORY. AMERICA WAS FAST BECOMING A WORLD PLAYER.  (THEY WERE ALSO CHRISTIANS.)
IN CHRISTIAN MINDS LIKE LORD WOLSELEY'S TO FIGHT THIS ARMAGEDDON WE NEED AN ARMY TO ARRIVE FROM OUT OF THE EAST.
WHAT COUNTRY DURING THIS TIME FRAME WAS THERE CAPIBLE OF EVEN REPRESENTING THE OTHER SIDE OR LARGE ENOUGH TO OFFER ANY GREAT RESISTANCE THAT WASN'T CHRISTIAN.  CHINA WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE.
                                                   ........PBA

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 11/30/2004 9:10 PM
Rabbi, I've recently bought another book on the subject; Britain's Forgotten Wars : Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century by Ian Hernon. It covers the smaller campaigns, including GB's ill-fated attempt to establish an Empire in Spanish South America; the attack on Buenos Aires in 1806.

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From: MSN Nicknamerabbibnw1Sent: 12/1/2004 10:43 PM
Thanks, Mark.  I've seen this book offered through the Military Book Club over here and I've been wondering whether or not to get it.  Now I've got something to give myself for Christmas.
 
Please send me your thoughts on the subject as you read it.  Recent discussions here and some recent reading about the history of the Royal Navy--Arthur Herman's To Rules the Waves:  How the British Navy Shaped the Modern World [New York:  HarperCollins, 2004]--has really given me a new perspective.  I'd be interested in any other books you could recommend on British military history, or, for that matter, British history in general. 
 
Thanks again.
 
Rabbi.

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