FIRECRACKER, HOW HAS HONGKONG CHANCED SINCE IT WAS RETURNED TO CHINA?? HOW HAS MAINLAND CHINA CHANCED SINCE??

ALL NEW IMMIGRANTS TO A COUNTRY BRING WITH THEM THEIR PAST HATES. IT USUALLY TAKES TWO TO THREE GENERATIONS FOR THIS HATE TO BE FORGOTTEN OR AT LEASE LESSENED.

Does that mean your great grand kids will love Americans?

USUALLY YES SNOW. ONCE THEY HAVE BECOME PART OF THE MELTING POT.

Firecracker, for the Chinese to criticize the Japanese for being insular is hypocricy of the highest order.  The Han are xenophobic to a degree unparaleled by any other nation. 

Lew

In the happy time between the start of the Shogunate and the expulsion of the Portuguese priests (??1615) and Admiral Perry's 1856 invasion of Japan, all fishermen who were blown out to sea over the horizon were executed in case they picked up dirty habits.

So I think the Japs might just win. Except the Taipeng rebellion (1851-1864) is supposed to have resulted in more deaths than WW2. 30 million and still counting.

You do of course remember my participation in said affair, but should you have lost yer copy, there is a reprint which includes the bit about Gladstone and the Mandarin Duck. Just released, as were the printers. no cheques.

Foreigngoin' Flash

Flashman, I think the biggest difference between the xenophobia of the Chinese and Japanese, is that Jap starts with a J and China with a C, but killing a sailor because he might have picked up dirty habits is a bit over the top, even for Asians.   So much for "Join the Navy and see the World" as a recruiting gimic. 

My father sold Dokdo to Japan for 2 ducks and a fish.  I want our money back.   Where is DokDo?  We always thought it was a cow.

 

 

 

sunny

Lew,

Probably why TinCan has that hunted look.

Excellent book on that topic is James Clavell's "Shogun" about a real life English sea captain who was washed ashore in Japan.

Peter

Yes, I enjoyed all the Clavell books.  I started reading them as they came to hand, then later I reread them in order.  Excellent look at the East being infiltrated by the West.   These books are the type that I would recommend to my students, they are well written and get the students attention.  Once you have that, teaching is easy.

I hope you didn't read them the bit about the elderly Samurai Guards discussing whether Blackthorne would fancy a duck after he rejected a prostitute.

 

Charleton Heston played Chinese Gordon

It was a rebellion in China described as a movement of religious mysticism and agrarian unrest that lasted for 14 years, 1850-64. It was centred on Nanking and only continued due to the anarchy in other parts of China. After the central government had failed to supress it, they recruited General Charles Gordon in 1863 to raise and lead an army against the rebels. It became known as the Ever Victorious Army and his European tactics quickly put down the rebellion. It greatly weakened the ruling dynasty and its failure to implement more than the simplest reforms sowed the seeds of the revolution that overthrew the monarchy 50 years later. 

Mark

 

Sunny will love this. The war was started by a Christian Clerk who was failed entrance into the imperial Customs.

 

It was the Taipeng rebellion, in which I paid for Gandamack lodge, me pile in Northamptonshire by helping loot the Summer palace. Paid 1 bottle of Whisky for 100 beautifully carved jade pieces, but there you go, those kenspeckle Highlanders only appreciate a drop of the good stuff.

 

50 million died, more than in WW2. I must admit I had the power to stop the war, but I was a trifle short of cash. 

 

 

Mark, yer welcome to drop in at Gandamack lodge any time; maybe you could stiffen up the servants. The Butler will settle the bill. No cheques.

 

Freeloadin' Flash