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World History : The Falklands War
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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5  (Original Message)Sent: 6/14/2007 7:50 PM
25 years ago today the Argentinians who had invaded the Falkland Islands early in April surrendered to the British troops. The 93 day war was over. 255 British servicemen were killed and about 700 Argentinians. It was GB's last colonial war and Margaret Thatcher's finest hour. 


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From: MSN Nickname-sunday-Sent: 6/28/2007 12:32 PM
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 6/28/2007 4:28 PM
I might have told you this before.
The Portuguese installed the snapping (IE spring loaded) matchlock into Japan in 1615. We were then thrown out.
In 1853 Admiral Perry's forces found the Japanese using the same weapon, Down to the European proof marks on the barrel. We had rejected it in europe, because the spring loading stubbed the match out.
 
CUTAWAY OF JAPANESE SNAPPING MATCHLOCK (IRISH HIDEAWAY VERSION) NOTE DATE 1800
 
 
 
Peter
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 6/28/2007 10:59 PM
Sent: 28/06/2007 21:00

LTA Japan

History

At the end of World War One Japan was awarded the German Navy's L37 (LZ75) which was a "Super Zeppelin" of the L30 or "R" class and the first ship assembled at the Zeppelin Company's satellite facility located at Berlin-Staaken.

As the first new ship from Staaken, L37 was overdue and overweight and was the ONLY L30-class ship that was never sent to raid England. Following a brief stint in North Sea "Front" service, L37 was transferred to the Baltic (along with L30) and flew in several operations in this secondary theatre. It never received the twin-engine rear gondola modification and finished its career being laid up at Seddin-bei-Stolp in late 1917 after about one year of flying.

Japan had no real interest in the ship and had her broken up in the summer of 1920, taking posession of the gas valves, instruments, a few of the engines and some other parts that they deemed important enough to study.

The large 787 foot hangar at Juterbog, near Berlin, was dismantled and erected at the Japanese Naval Air Station at Kisamagaura, near Tokyo, where it housed the LZ127 Graf Zeppelin on her 1929 flight around the world.

For a time, Japan had a determination to develop a Naval Airship Service, one of the more notable pilots being Takijuro Onishi who was trained in England after World War One and who went on to conceive the idea and tactics for the kamakaze planes of World War II. He committed sepuku on announcement of the Japanese surrender.


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LCdr. Onishi, who later originated the "Divine Wind" suicide plane scheme of World War Two, took LTA training with USN personnel at Howden in 1920 and the Japanese Naval observer aboard the GRAF ZEPPELIN's 1929 "world flight" LCdr. Fuiyoshi  told Rosendahl during the flight of having one ship lose control, the crew jumped out and it hit a cliff and exploded.  (Years later Rosendahl would learn that Fuiyoshi had been involved in the Pearl Harbor planning phase and had survived the war and, through a Japanese gardner/landscaper living in the Toms River, NJ area was able to contact his old friend and draw conclusions for a Pearl Harbor book Rosendahl wrote but that ultimately no publisher would touch...Title was apparently "SNAFU" or some sort and it was apparently intended to give FDR and the State Department a good pasting, while voiciferously lamenting the lack of rigid airships at Pearl Harbor to prevent the attack.)

Most Japanese airships of the immediate WW1/postwar period were British or Italian designs, while the fate of the Kasumigaura shed (originally German, located at Juterbog near Berlin) is something I've never been able to nail down (though I doubt it survived much into World War II.)

JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE JAPANESE COPYING EVERYTHING



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From: MSN NicknamefunkmasterjeeSent: 7/24/2007 10:29 PM
Sunday,    That poster above.  hmmm....I think I'll have some made for the Japanese twin town cultural exchange visit

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From: MSN NicknameOwlatnight8880Sent: 9/22/2007 8:50 AM
A greatand titanic acconlishemtn,the mighty British empire takes on the menace of Argentina. All I can say is Hoo-rah Britania!

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 9/22/2007 2:31 PM
It was Argentine taking on the Brits if you don't mnd, and they bit off more than they could chew, as our enemies always have done.
While we're on the subject how about a big cheer for the US taking on the military might of Panama and Grenada. Grenada ! I needed a magnifying glass to find it on the map !

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From: MSN Nickname-TinCanSent: 9/22/2007 2:46 PM
Where do you think we got the idea.

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From: bowleggedSent: 9/22/2007 3:04 PM
Greneda:

"It's a very tiny country...Rhode Island could beat the crap out of it in a war."

Dudley Moore in "Arthur".

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From: MSN NicknameMOREREPETESSent: 9/22/2007 9:25 PM
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CUBANS IN GRENADA.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/22/2007 9:37 PM
Been there in my Merchant Navy Days, Mark. About 16 x 8 miles. Very mountainous.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/22/2007 9:41 PM
What OwlatNight fails to realise is there is no historical claim for Argentina and the Falklands.
Spain, possibly. But then Spain's got a right to Argentina and Cuba and Puerto Rico and Mexico as well. Peru, Chile, must I continue?
I believe our oldest Ally, Portugal, gave Brazil Independence.
So learn your facts.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/22/2007 9:49 PM
And by the way, Owl, when you want to go poncing around the board slagging we British off, remember Argentina is a far larger country than the UK, with far larger armed forces.
 
So run off and learn something.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/23/2007 3:13 PM
Finally, Owl, we were far outnumbered by the Argentineans, 8,000 miles from our supply bases as against ?200.
The Argentineans had good tough soldiers who had just won a brutal geurilla war against the Communist Tupamaros.
They were far better equipped than us, particularly with
  1. US Browning .5 MGs
  2. Twin barreled 20mm Oerlikon cannon (useable in ground to ground against infantry as well as AA) 
  3. 35 Ton TAM Medium tanks
  4. 155 mm Artillery
  5. Pucara anti insurgency aircraft
  6. A gun cruiser
  7. Dassault Mirage aircraft

Take 5&7, we had 10 Harriers only to oppose.

Take 1&2 we only had 7.62 GPMGs (so good, you are replacing you M60s with them) in opposition.

Take 3&4,we had 76mm gunned tracked Recce vehicles only, and 105mm (35lb shell as opposed to  65lb) artillery

5,6,7 superior in anti-ground role.

Attackers normally lose 2-3 times the men defenders do. We killed 3 times our losses.

So, shove your stupid sneering comments down your throat


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman8Sent: 9/23/2007 3:22 PM
BTW Owl
 
I do acknowledge the great debt of gratitude we owe to the USA for supplying us with radar for our Harriers, Sidewinders, and Satellite intelligence.
 
Probably saved a lot of our lives in contrast with your stupid flippant attitude.
 
Some years before, when I was in The Light Infantry, I had the honour to serve under Brig. Wilson one of the Task force Commanders as have one or 2 other site members. So you've chosen the wrong venue to shoot your stupid petulant mouth off.
 
Peter

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From: MSN Nicknamevicbc6Sent: 12/20/2007 11:02 PM
The British task force in 1982  showed that  Great Britain  could still stand up to a bully, a point we reiteratin in 19691  and 2003. We  pulled together a naval  force that  took at least as  good or better than it got. The  Army and RMs  did a  very good job of being the  soldier to soldier  contact force . The RAF  flew  long range  patrols from Ascension island and then what to then  was the  longest bombing missions ever  over 7000+ miles. Its been suspassed by B2 missions  for USA to Iraq recently. The  Fleet Air Arm & RAF  Harrier jets  put in vexcellent work as ground support  and air to air  aircraft.
  Could have all fallen apart ?Sure if 1 of  the CVs  had been lost the issue may have been in doubt  and lost if they had bagged both CVs. Thats 1 of the reasons  the ARA General Belgrano  had to be sunk . She could have really made landings face it impossible or unsustanable

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