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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>  (Original Message)Sent: 7/4/2005 12:51 AM
 


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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 3:08 AM
Misunderstandings happen regardless..Tis a fact of life..Just when I got you where I can see you don't you start hiding on me again!..lol..We both know misunderstandings happen via emails so messenger has nothing to do with it..

I understand what you are saying as "they" don't think like that but it isn't just that..It's that Iam who Iam and I don't know if I can handle going against what I believe in for them..Maybe that's selfish,I dunno..Iam confused bout the whole subject..I just need time to think about it as I never really put alot of thought into it as it was never an issue before only cause it was never presented before under these particular circumstances..My life style has changed so Iam changing and my perspective is changing..I feel confused cause I wanna do what's right but I want to be comfortable as well..I love those guys but they have their own lifestyle and I have to accept that..I have read bout them following my life style and it's interesting and all but it's not like they actually have a choice..It is a choice I would be making for them which isn't fair totally setting aside the health debate..So I might just do what we talked about and stick with a certain "kind" as we "fit" better but I still have time to sort it out..Ya know?..This is all new to me at this point and I have alot to sort out and decide where Iam at on this subject..

As far as looking up what we were talking about..I dunno..Was curious..lol..But what I stumbled upon was the other way around if ya get my meaning..OMG!..

Thanks Jen..I suppose Iam tired..I know you didn't mean to upset me..Take care..


Love ya,
Pam

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From: 2manySent: 7/4/2005 4:25 AM
this is something you mentioned when talking about Tom Cruise, and thinking on it, i realised the same principal can be applied here.  no matter what your lifestyle, or your choices about how YOU want to live, you cant force your views on someone else.  ive seen sites like youve mentioned, and its people forcing their views on those who cant choose for themselves, and it can have dangerous and even deadly consequences.  just like Tom Cruise had no right to say how Brooke Sheilds should live her life, and that she was bad for what she decided, no matter how strong your beliefs are, its unfair to force your lifestyle on them.  they are who they are, and if you cant get past those thoughts, then you have to decide they arent for you.  i struggled with it a lot at first, but they arent responsible for how the world is, and they depend on me to make the right choices for them.  id feel worse if i denied them.  i havent looked back, even though i will never like it, lol.  its whats best for them, and they are happy and healthy.  thats all that matters.  they are such an important part of my life, and i want to see them be a part of my life for as long as possible.  to try the other way could deny me that, and them their lives.  i dont want them to suffer, they mean too much.

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 4:51 AM
Exactly that's why I said it wouldn't be fair to choose for them..I know natural instincts would choose otherwise..I wasn't even going to get into the health debate..Choosing for them alone isn't fair..Now if they choose it that's something different however unlikely but fun to think about..lol..I can't push on them how I feel because their world is much different and that's the way it is..Iam just glad I have a choice and I don't have to mindlessly follow instinct, ya know?..I continued on with how I was raised for awhile till I say hey wait a minute I can't do this anymore..I don't know how I did it for as long as I did..I just didn't think about it..Those I have had before have given the chance would have/and did follow their instincts even though it disgusted me to find the left overs..Sometimes it surprised me but then I had to remember..again..that things are different for them..I hate it..I hate their world..It's all so cruel to me..The bigger eats the smaller..One suffers so another can live..Makes me cringe..To me those kinds of things is what is wrong in the wrong..Ppl in power hurting the weak..It just goes against all that Iam becoming..At this point I may stick to the kind where I can relate to their world..We fit better and taking care of them would be easier for me and thats better for them as well..As much as I would love those other guys I just dunno at this point..I guess Iam changing..Hopefully for the better..

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From: 2manySent: 7/4/2005 8:29 AM
thats the thing, though.  in their world its not cruel, or mindless, or wrong.  those are qualities weve made up. you cant change their thinking anymore then you could change the other kind to their way of life.  their whole makeup depends on the specific diet theyve evolved to eat. nature has a way of keeping everything in check.  they catch those who are weak, or wouldnt make it, and might even die a horrible death anyway.  if they all survived there wouldnt be enough food for all and starvation/illness would cause long term suffering.  ever seen those nature programs?  they kill quickly.  i know of none whod choose an alternative diet because it doesnt make sense.  they cant eat what they arent genetically programmed to eat.  weve taken them in, imposed our views and feelings on them, and its selfish to try and change whats there.  they have no idea or control of how they get that food, or how it ends up in their dish.  thats our doing. 

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 5:29 PM
I understand you feel strongly about this, Jen, so that's why you are telling me how you feel and that's cool however I can assure you Iam not trying to change anyone as I have stated..Iam just saying Iam not comfy with it and it goes against what I believe in even if to them it is natural..They can do their own thing (I just don't want to know about it) and I can do mine..To me it is cruel in my world but that's my opinion which Iam not going to agrue about..We are just from two different worlds..me and those lil guys cute that they are..I will always admire them from a far but I have to do what's right for both of us..I have the right to change my mind as I don't have any responsibilities at this point with them..If I get one I will commit (deal with my issues) but I need to think about it..I thought I knew what I wanted and now Iam not so sure..It was always something I was going to do someday but in that time frame I changed so this is changing to..Iam thinking stronger and stronger that it is best to stick with "my kind" as we fit better which isn't so weird or wrong..I just wish I could meet someone who struggles with the same thing and hear about their choices so I wouldn't feel so alone as well as different..Iam sure they are out there though..

I have been reading about what they put in commercial foods and it disgusts me..Iam so sorry I didn't know before..Maybe Sam would have lived alittle longer and I would have had more time with him in the past..

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From: 2manySent: 7/4/2005 5:42 PM
i used to feel the same way when i was younger, but even though ive made the changes i have, i still find it easy to relate to their other aspects.  i do everything i can to make sure Sassy isnt out hunting; she knows not to go after my critters and ignores them for the most part.  she has too many positive points and they far outweight the one or two "negatives" she may have.  im sure there are many negatives about me shes not thrilled about, but she humors me.  Same with the dogs; i just dont give them a chance to hurt anyone, and they are kept away from the critters, for the most part (with Speedy, i trained Sinbad to leave her alone; Lady was curious but not a threat, and i think Sinbad was just curious as well). its about understanding, and acceptance.  every pet is going to have some aspect you have to accept, not always about diet.

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 5:56 PM
"its about understanding, and acceptance. every pet is going to have some aspect you have to accept, not always about diet."


I understand that..its about what you can accept..the rest you deal with cause you love your pets..feeling this way ahead of time i know that this particular thing iam not so sure i can accept...

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 6:05 PM
You say you use to feel the same way when you were younger..How long have you been a vegetarian?..I have only been one for a few months..Iam not sure how I feel bout alot right now..I just know these feelings are there..This is new to me but whatever I do decide to I have right to do so..I know you may think Iam sad or may feeling like Iam missing out cause I had dreams but ppl change so dreams change..Iam thinking this is a good thing..Chinchillas are soundings really cool and I never would have gotten on otherwise..Life has been turns and I like this street..lol..I need something in my life I can relate to and they can relate to me..That would be the best of companions..

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/4/2005 6:07 PM
many not beens..

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From: 2manySent: 7/5/2005 4:38 AM
ive been one off an on, since high school i guess.  but i felt that way when i was pretty young, too.  i am able to separate my feelings from my love for those who have to eat meat.  for example, im sure you dont avoid your family because they still eat meat, right?  so whats the difference with a cat or dog?  are they any less loveable?  i definitely dont think Sassy, for example, is any less of a companion because of her need to eat meat.  keep in mind they dont have a choice, unlike people.  they require meat to live.  my family and i sometimes clash, but we all get along and i havent decided im not going to change my views of them because of what they eat.  changing my views on my pets wouldnt make sense either.
 
i read a lot on chinchillas last night, because id like one or two down the road.  but ive changed my mind, i think.  they are really delicate sounding, have to absolutely never be exposed to high temps, need a pretty rigid diet, and a lot of other concerns.  they are also very sound sensitive and can literally die of a heart attack if exposed to loud sounds (that one hits hard tonight because of all the noise here!).  they need a lot of exercise, have specific vitamin requirements, and the list goes on.

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/5/2005 4:49 AM
ok

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/5/2005 5:04 AM
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From: 2manySent: 7/5/2005 5:38 AM
reposting this, not sure why you deleted it?
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameßëåû†ïƒû�?§Þì®í�?Þåm</NOBR> Sent: 7/4/2005 9:56 PM

i said how I feel and that's all iam gonna say..i said i need time to think and whatever i decide is how it is gonna be for me..nuff said..


btw i don't feed my family..iam not gonna cook/handle meat for them..they can do it themselves..


iam glad you have things all worked out within you..good for you and more power to ya..

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From: MSN Nickname§îlhøû놆�?/nobr>Sent: 7/5/2005 3:40 PM
Doesn't matter I suppose..

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